Message from @Dr.Cosby

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2019-07-25 11:12:34 UTC  

Does it make sense that people who work as hard (or harder) than others get paid less?

2019-07-25 11:12:37 UTC  

food stamps i'm happy with

2019-07-25 11:12:58 UTC  

The Walmart CEO isn't working thousands of times harder than his employees.

2019-07-25 11:13:06 UTC  

Why is he getting paid thousands of times more?

2019-07-25 11:13:08 UTC  

@Dr.Cosby you mean in a hierarchical sense?

2019-07-25 11:13:23 UTC  

he's more valuable to the company in theory

2019-07-25 11:13:28 UTC  

i.e. there's only 1 ceo

2019-07-25 11:14:30 UTC  

I understand that market conditions regulate salary (for the most part) - if the CEO wasn't "worth" that much, the company (or board of directors or stockholders or w/e) should be able to find a cheaper employee, right?

2019-07-25 11:14:51 UTC  

But somehow this doesn't end up working so well

2019-07-25 11:15:12 UTC  

In fact, it ends up working in a disgusting and immoral manner

2019-07-25 11:15:38 UTC  

I'm not a specialist on the matter, but you don't have to be to see how bad it is

2019-07-25 11:16:49 UTC  

I think ultimately, people in those positions get there due to pure luck. Whether through family connections (as is usual) or other means

2019-07-25 11:17:01 UTC  

of course there's a massive imbalance and its only been increasing

2019-07-25 11:17:08 UTC  

so they need to moderate CEO pay

2019-07-25 11:17:16 UTC  

whether one can enforce that or not

2019-07-25 11:17:18 UTC  

...

2019-07-25 11:17:21 UTC  

difficult

2019-07-25 11:17:36 UTC  

Okay, so minimum wage is a different topic? I mean, it sort of is

2019-07-25 11:17:58 UTC  

But if you start regulating the "upper bound" on what is a reasonable wage for certain positions, why not a "lower bound"?

2019-07-25 11:17:58 UTC  

GG @Dr.Cosby, you just advanced to level 3!

2019-07-25 11:18:48 UTC  

If it's ridiculous for a CEO to earn thousands of times what his employees earn, isn't it ridiculous for employees to earn not enough to...live?

2019-07-25 11:19:06 UTC  

i think they are two different issues

2019-07-25 11:19:24 UTC  

Perhaps you have a more fancy version of fixing the problem

2019-07-25 11:19:38 UTC  

regulating CEO pay does not impact a large proportion of the lower skilled workers

2019-07-25 11:19:58 UTC  

in the way that minimum wage goes

2019-07-25 11:20:17 UTC  

But without overhauling quite a few systems, I don't see a better solution than increasing minimum wage (both to compensate for inflation, as well as realistic economic opportunities in the places where they live)

2019-07-25 11:20:47 UTC  

Yeah, simply cutting CEO pay isn't going to do much, sure

2019-07-25 11:20:49 UTC  

increasing wages artificially doesn't solve anything

2019-07-25 11:20:59 UTC  

you know why?

2019-07-25 11:21:06 UTC  

if everyone on the bottom rung is earning more....

2019-07-25 11:21:24 UTC  

the market will adjust and everything that person needs to survive will go up in cost

2019-07-25 11:21:54 UTC  

due to capitalism taking advantage of the "extra cash" available

2019-07-25 11:22:13 UTC  

sorry i'm talking more in terms of universal income

2019-07-25 11:22:42 UTC  

I'm also for universal basic income

2019-07-25 11:22:48 UTC  

more that artificial wages disrupt the natural cost of workers

2019-07-25 11:23:00 UTC  

so the market should dictate the labour cost

2019-07-25 11:23:18 UTC  

this is a good thing because it helps small businesses grow

2019-07-25 11:23:29 UTC  

if the small business has to pay the same labour overheads as the big business

2019-07-25 11:23:36 UTC  

who do you think can compete better?

2019-07-25 11:23:46 UTC  

that were labour being a massive cost to a particular business

2019-07-25 11:24:33 UTC  

there is also a problem where the person who wants the job is more then happy to accept a certain wage if the business can make another job available due to the lower cost of worker