depends on what you define "living" as

Tell me though, I'm curious how extreme you are about this

i would be happy with no minimum wage

Okay

Now, THAT has been proven to be detrimental and leads to slave-like conditions for workers

how do you suppose that comes about

Perhaps there are other systems you'd have in place to offset that?

the business keeps lowering the wages ?

what incentive would they have if nobody takes that job

If NOTHING ELSE there are people who are stupid (or mentally ill), or immigrants without language skills and serious insecurities, or etc, that can be taken advantage of

so for example if they decide to pay you $2 dollars an hour and it costs you more to live then that

who would be taking that job?

Somebody will probably take the job - that's what ends up happening man

right

so the problem is too many illegals

It's exploitation

if someone is willing to work for $2

you have a labour issue

the balance should be struck where there is nobody willing to work for $2

in my ideal system <:xd:562563637781463046>

People get screwed by their employers all the time. I had an ex who worked as a waitress and her "minimum wage" was even lower (wtf?) - and her boss took her tips

Without government regulation, this stuff happens time and time again

Minimum wage is just ONE check-and-balance to keep things from being too fucked up

Why didn't she quit, right?

She was a middle-class white American girl

Why not just find another job?

Maybe she was just stupid!

But she worked there for almost a year. Even when living with her parents and being able to find somewhere else.

🤔

I see what you are saying

People get bent over the barrel man

If it’s to protect people then I am for it

Even WITH "good" minimum wage

I also see what you are saying

And again, I am very pro free market working things out

To me, it makes perfect sense that it would sort itself out

But that's in a perfect situation where everyone is intelligent and able to switch jobs willy nilly, you know?

Correct yes

The problem comes when minimum wage tries to be a living wage

Like, a simple wrench to throw in those gears is how people need money NOW to pay for stuff. And they desire stability and stuff from their job. They get hired at a suboptimal rate, they are very likely to stay there, even if it's shitty

Very true people are like that