Racism is a spectrum

2008 was the big hype for me. Though my first vote was pretty exciting as Jesse Ventura became governor of Minnesota

Well I meant more for Ron Paul

I was never enthusiastic about Obama

Except glad the GWB days were at least over

Yeah was that the Bob Barr year?

Hey let's pick the guy that helped vote in the Patriot Act

the national LP has been a joke since then

Yeah and Gary Johnson is ok I guess, but Bill Weld? No. I thought if they were going to go full crazy to try to go after Trump, McAfee would've been the choice.

Exactly

And yet, now we got Sleepy Joe who doesn't even know what office he's running for and Trump can really say whatever he wants. I hate the different standards.

Yeah, Trump will destroy him in any head-to-head debate. Bernie and a huge youth vote turnout is the only chance they have of unseating Trump.

Those fake blonde bimbos look the same as they did 20 years ago

I'd vote for him just for anti-establishment and he's kind of based. Universal healthcare would be nice too and I know he can't pass everything he wants.

Minimum wage at $15? Nah. Free college? No.

yes, my uncle

He seems to get care just fine, it's the little dumb things that they want him to do like have some yearly doctor's "audit" where they make recommendations where no one follows up.

Mainly though, whether through the government or a freer market system: my main goals would be to see medical care cost a lot less and not have it tied to something like your job.

Well I have a bronze plan so

I can't say it's much better

Well it would be nice if the government would strong arm the medical/insurance industry instead of the other way around

State of MN does a good job subsidizing plans on their marketplace website, but still not cheap by any means

DJ Khalid

another one?

that's about it

Maybe it does cost less, all I know is after Obamacare passed and I had work health insurance it went from awesome to mediocre and cost 2x as much

and got worse every year after

It's still the fault of the insurance companies in collusion with hospitals to jack up prices astronomically

so whatever busts that stranglehold

a way-open free market? A central healthcare system telling them what to charge? Either way

Well the fact that school also is too expensive now is the other half of that problem. Either way, we need to cut out the middleman.

No government-backed student loans, no insurance companies

That's another thing, the myth everyone should go to college. Especially when they get worthless degrees in stuff like gender studies

But how come it doesn't in most of the countries that have a national health care system? You often see that Americans pay more for healthcare than anyone else in the world. They wouldn't give people loans to get care like a college loan. You'd just get covered, and maybe have a very small fee. The government and the hospitals/pharma/etc can work out pricing vs the insurance companies doing it to try to make themselves rich along with kickbacks to the hospital.

I'd prefer a fully open healthcare market with no insurance companies, just pay reasonable costs, home visits, etc. But no one is trying to go back to that in earnest.

Just the Pauls, that's about it

Yet we go to Canada and Mexico for cheaper meds

Even one small insurance company flies their clients to San Diego, drives them down the border to get drugs and back because it's so much cheaper even for them.

That doesn't sound right

Hell my CT scans cost like $1200

https://i.insider.com/58d93348112f7048008b713d?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp

It looks like CT scans are about half the price in Canada

of here

But yes, MRIs are less here

and interstate insurance shopping/group buys

but like I said, no one is pushing this except Rand Paul

Well did they pass a healthcare bill when it was all 3 chambers GOP? Nope.

so I don't have the faith

But more than any other "socialist" program I'd like to see UBI. That would get more people off the street and be able to work a McDs job or be an artist without worrying about the basics, more effective than jacking up the minimum wage to levels areas and small businesses can't pay

Get rid of income tax and cut checks every month, a lot easier. Get the money out of Amazon, etc like Yang proposed.

so would a minimum wage hike raise costs

So that's different than now, how? <a:1KEKW:638018439738556416>

UBI with no other welfare and end the minimum wage would be ideal

Because people could just say "hey I don't have to work for you anyway". It puts power in the hands of the worker without going full pinko.

Ok, Rasczak

High minimum wages kill small business, while a UBI isn't meant as a complete replacement for income.

bad actors doing what? Jacking up rent?

The Expanse had the interesting take on it, there were so few jobs left on Earth - 60% had to live on "government assistance" in the 23rd century because of automation

So we'll live in the Ready Player One future then

I'm down with that dystopia <:LUL:279763479634771969>

just don't wipe your ass with poison ivy/sumac and you good

and creamy?

And Belgium is pretty much a non-country.

Still my favorite Farage line.

Yeah the trans people don't seem to get that

I just don't want people forcing kids into something they are not...is that so hard to get?

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It was fun to see BPS and three arrows go at it

Nice try failing NYT...but the Soviet regime collapsed the next year.

```For the Soviets, it was the start of a years-long propaganda effort to exploit his antiwar agenda```

One year then? <:LUL:279763479634771969>

They'll do anything to smear Bernie at this point

Yeah this is known. I've seen the video

But maybe he was just being a Vermont hippie trying to stop nuclear war.

A sister city agreement isn't really a big deal

What situation is that?

Like Trump was with Putin huh? Everyone I don't like is a Russian agent.

He's just praising some of the things they tried to do. Doesn't mean he's going to make the USSA. Especially with Congress probably blocking him like they do Trump.

At least he stands his ground on his issues

He wasn't a senator then

He was mayor of Burlington, VT

Maybe a little but it's not new news. There's not much to point to some real conspiracy here.

Lol here we go

I'm sure there were some fake news bots on Twitter and the Rooskies might have even helped with Hillary's emails. But I don't think they did anything that really affected the actual vote.

People have two different definitions of socialism

Ahh see, he is not his staffers

His staffers are fairly commie. He espouses for systems like "Denmark". When it comes to a general race he's gonna have to drop a lot of these pinko turds

Or he'll just get Corbyn'd

Because he's that open, welcoming hippie type.

Well we'll see if he even gets there

Ol sleepy Joe might pull out the rug

And lose bigly to Trump anyway

Well Biden won more states than anyone expected on Tuesday

He may get the plurality

And Bernie said he'd drop if that happened

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/05/sanders_if_biden_has_more_delegates_at_the_convention_or_end_of_the_process_hes_the_nominee.html

The only way I see them beating Trump is Bernie with a large youth vote turnout anyway

If they contested convention Bernie, Milwaukee will burn

Probably not but Bernie is their only chance

Biden will get destroyed in any debate with Trump