Message from @donborvio

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2020-03-06 02:42:35 UTC  

Or pick socialism and get slow, expensive AND shit

2020-03-06 02:43:21 UTC  

No it is cheaper per-capita. That is why rich people in socialist countries come here for medicine.

2020-03-06 02:43:54 UTC  

Yet we go to Canada and Mexico for cheaper meds

2020-03-06 02:44:13 UTC  

Procedure for procedure, it's more expensive

2020-03-06 02:44:53 UTC  

I.e. an MRI in the states is like 300$ but in Canada it's like 900$

2020-03-06 02:45:01 UTC  

Even one small insurance company flies their clients to San Diego, drives them down the border to get drugs and back because it's so much cheaper even for them.

2020-03-06 02:45:26 UTC  

That doesn't sound right

2020-03-06 02:45:39 UTC  

Hell my CT scans cost like $1200

2020-03-06 02:45:51 UTC  

MRI, not CT

2020-03-06 02:45:59 UTC  

Of course CT is more expensive

2020-03-06 02:50:31 UTC  

It looks like CT scans are about half the price in Canada

2020-03-06 02:50:34 UTC  

of here

2020-03-06 02:50:44 UTC  

But yes, MRIs are less here

2020-03-06 02:51:14 UTC  

Right. That's what I was talking about when I said we should allow importation so arbitrage could lower drug costs. It would be cheaper if we could buy those Mexican drugs on Amazon or some shit just in gas money.

2020-03-06 02:51:55 UTC  

As to the CT scans you can get them in time to act here.....

2020-03-06 02:52:08 UTC  

and interstate insurance shopping/group buys

2020-03-06 02:52:26 UTC  

but like I said, no one is pushing this except Rand Paul

2020-03-06 02:54:39 UTC  

Trump has for at least the last 2 years. Like I said I started liking him *after* he got the job. I also think right-to-try will lower R&D costs.

2020-03-06 03:01:32 UTC  

Well did they pass a healthcare bill when it was all 3 chambers GOP? Nope.

2020-03-06 03:01:40 UTC  

so I don't have the faith

2020-03-06 03:03:25 UTC  

But more than any other "socialist" program I'd like to see UBI. That would get more people off the street and be able to work a McDs job or be an artist without worrying about the basics, more effective than jacking up the minimum wage to levels areas and small businesses can't pay

2020-03-06 03:04:48 UTC  

Get rid of income tax and cut checks every month, a lot easier. Get the money out of Amazon, etc like Yang proposed.

2020-03-06 03:05:46 UTC  

UBI would just make the base cost of consumer goods rise

2020-03-06 03:06:11 UTC  

Yeah missed it by a vote that was a real let down. AS to UBI the only proposal I saw that made sense was by Murray who said that if it was used to *replace* all other social spending it would be a net reduction. Even then I am suspicious. Because if they gave a UBI of one grand this year it would open the door for the next candidate to campaign on a UBI of 2 grand and ever upward for eternity.

2020-03-06 03:06:58 UTC  

Campaigns would become a bidding war over who could promise to buy the most votes.

2020-03-06 03:07:02 UTC  

so would a minimum wage hike raise costs

2020-03-06 03:07:17 UTC  

So that's different than now, how? <a:1KEKW:638018439738556416>

2020-03-06 03:07:27 UTC  

It does raise costs

2020-03-06 03:07:56 UTC  

The minimum wage argument straight confuses me. I live in a sensible place where nobody pays the minimum wage so nobody cares what it is.

2020-03-06 03:08:53 UTC  

Just look at Seattle, they implemented a mandatory 15$ minimum and now everything from gas to Starbucks is way more expensive compared to just one county over

2020-03-06 03:09:07 UTC  

UBI with no other welfare and end the minimum wage would be ideal

2020-03-06 03:09:41 UTC  

Something given has no value

2020-03-06 03:10:01 UTC  

Because people could just say "hey I don't have to work for you anyway". It puts power in the hands of the worker without going full pinko.

2020-03-06 03:10:39 UTC  

Ok, Rasczak

2020-03-06 03:10:48 UTC  

Because it is fucking Seattle. Were I in Seattle making 15 an hour I would save my pennies and buy a bus ticket to the Midwest and raise my standard of living.

2020-03-06 03:12:29 UTC  

High minimum wages kill small business, while a UBI isn't meant as a complete replacement for income.

2020-03-06 03:12:55 UTC  

It will still be used as one

2020-03-06 03:13:14 UTC  

It's too open to exploitation from bad actors

2020-03-06 03:14:27 UTC  

Ans again this is not the central problem with UBI. In an alternate universe where the water supply is spiked with a drug that strips 22 points oof the national IQ and Yang wins what next? Well someone runs against him offering to double the UBI. And then again and again.

2020-03-06 03:14:32 UTC  

bad actors doing what? Jacking up rent?