Don't have issues with apostacy (I asked the Imam)

And they're banned from Mecca widely regarded as nonmuslims or apostates in islamic countries

Regarding the islam discussion I'll share a topical video in videos-recommendations

https://youtu.be/Dylu5tMTyqQ

Pretty rare

They made up a chunk of the very earliest islamic presence in Germany

Sure but the christians always have a way out regarding interpretation and the bible not being literally the word of god

The muslims treat the qur'an as infallible

The literal word of god as delivered to Muahmmad by the archangel Gabriel

The bible is more equivalent to the hadiths which are just a compilation of stories etc. about the life of Muhammad since he's deemed the perfect man

However at least the hadiths are open to interpretation/questioning as they're not the literal word of god

A muslim might argue that the hadiths which mention Muhammad being a pedophile aren't authentic or whatever for example

But you can't do this with the qur'an

If the qur'an say to kill apostates (which it does) there's no arguing about it

Well yes. It's birthed the most fundamentalist and liberal churches

And it actually is somewhat similiar in islam

Like moderate mosques are pretty much doing the same thign as Ahmadiyya by avoiding the uncomfortable Suras

Whereas Ahmadiyya is the extreme end of it

There isn't an authoritative head in islam outside the Ayatollah in Iran afaik

The Turkish sultan used to fill the role of caliph/head of sunni islam too

Hard to say how it'll turn out in the end

At least in Tunisia you can see that tourism has made a more liberal islam win elections over the muslim brotherhood

Indian man: Show bob and Vegana
Indian woman: No
Indian men: Yes

I don't think so

As far as I can see leftist that turn "pagan" just maker it abotu giving into their bestial nature

They want to fuck around and whatnot

It seems like a repeat of the matriarchal fertility cults

It'll be fun to see all sorts of space cults pop up once it's been demonstrated you can just live on Mars or whatever
In a way it might be a chance for the more upstanding elements to leave a morally rotten earthy behind

Can't wait for a Martian theocracy to yeet earth with an asteroid causing shitlibs to go extinct

I'm joking

There's actual potential for escaping this mess though

Btw Zeon did nothing wrong

Something something papal infallibility in case he's speaking ex cathedra

The main strength about catholicism and orthodoxy is the strength that comes from organizing, however treating it as anything other than an administrative issue has lead to all sorts of nonsense

I think something broke when imperial authority over the church was sidelined

It gave it more cohesion

And stopped stuff like a bishop callign himself infallible and whantnot

In a way I dislike dogma not that I necessarily disagree with its points about morality but because it's not flexible
I'm a strong believer in good being something real but intangible and belief in this would sort of be a self correcting mechanism

Getting hung up on the details is just a corrosive thing for society

I'm not a christian so I don't agree but fine

Well yes but you don't have access to the literal word of god just writings about what Jesus said etc.

In principle even to a christian good is mostly intangible

You have some orientation

But not all the answers

I don't care about the veneration of saints but it allowed for pagans to convert to the church by rebranding gods and whatnot

I think the veneration of saints is kind of ppl coping with their monotheistic beliefs when ppl have tendencies going both towards unity of god/good and multiplicitousness

Same thing with the trinity

It's not a blatant violation of monotheism per se but definitely an expression of pagan mindsets

Yes morality to a degree is intuitive

Which is why I'm saying it's intangible

Striving for virtue is the main path towards it

That's why muslims call trinitarianism paganism
The intuitive way to express an unkowable god is to say he is unknowable, not to lay out a complex multiplictious nature of him which ppl can understand

Moonman?

Well you can't know for certain. The point is you're able to reach for it but never grasp it fully

You only have your intuition to rely on and the drive to be good

As opposed to amoral characters which refuse to acknowledge the possibility of an objective good existing

I sort of see it as an emergent property. Not somethign handed down to us arbitrarily

Not a benchmark but yes it's idealistic

A perfect way/state of being

Often unattainable

Nonetheless still somehing worth striving for, distinctly positive

People don't

Which is why I say good is intangible

No, it's an abstraction

The ideal is not an actual state which has been achieved at some point

It doesn't need something to create it as a benchmark

Well yes in theory and in practice we'll never actually reach it but have to nonetheless continue reaching for it to the best of our abilities

In China we Germans had Tsingtau and to this day there's the best brewery in all of Asia

I kind of view it as a Sysyphian task

It's not just intuition as well. Ppl try to apply reason to morality all the time though it often ends up miserably

Say Kant's categorical imperative

Or Bentham's weird utilitarian formula

Actually following up on what's written

Sola scriptura doesn't refer to knowledge being sufficient for salvation

Lutheranism is explicit about the need of good works and whatnot

The Sola scriptura is pitted against papal infallibility ex cathedra

It's unlikely the roman pantheon was taken over from the Etruscans rather than Etruscans getting their pantheon from the Latins

Because Etruscan is widely considered to be a pre Indo European language

The Roman gods and hellenic gods are Indo-European in origin

There might've been a period where Roman and hellenic gods were more divergent but through syncretism and an idea at the time that people just had different names for the same gods it just merged

This actually continued later too with Romans identifying Mars with the Germanic god Tyr

Also about the Roman adoption Persian gods, really just one god that being Mithras. Mithras is actually Indo-European in origin
The Egyptian thing is true though because of Alexander/Ptolemy introducing the Serapis cult. Idk what to think about it

I don't recall but there should be some given they were fairly urbanized

I mean we have burial mounds of people who lived in the woods with no written language so I'm pretty confident there should be graves like that

Hierarchy is order

Why would you repeat yourself

Vienna had a number of slavic ppl in general around his time. A lot of them unable to speak German etc

On the one hand it was a beautiful city perfect for say an artist but on the other hand as is the case with these places they're also cesspits

I can imagine moustache man made some negative encounters when he was homeless

That being said he had weird stances on Yugoslavs which are the ones he'd have been around

Alongside Czechs maybe

Afaik they're not unitary in the way say France is

Still pretty bad

Canada might be in the worst looking at every western country

Especially since Asians will slowly compete for institutional power

It's the one minority that can besides tribals which rarely arrive in large numbers anywhere

At least Germany got to experience a whitepill for once

Thuringia's leftist minority government got killed

Basically what happened was AfD fielded a candidate and that prompted the FDP to do so too