Message from @Mr. Nessel
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They never really drop islam, jsut violate its principles
Which also leads some of them to want to repent in a typically islamic way
Either they become salafists and do nothing or they cause issues
Hard to say
In my city there's actually quite a number of salafists because Hamburg didn't want them to organize there
You see them walking around from time to time
In white robes with long beards
I've also been to an Ahmadiyya mosque back in my school days
It's not islam
Islam has a history of being able to hijack liberal-backed uprisings
Ahmadiyya?
Yeah it's a really minor sect of muslims which jsut ignore the qur'an when they don't like it
They had banners saying "Muhammad liberator of women"
Don't have issues with apostacy (I asked the Imam)
And they're banned from Mecca widely regarded as nonmuslims or apostates in islamic countries
How common are they?
Pretty rare
I wouldn't be surprised if liberal power tries to patronize them
They made up a chunk of the very earliest islamic presence in Germany
Unitarians and homosex """churches""" were pretty rare originally too
Sure but the christians always have a way out regarding interpretation and the bible not being literally the word of god
The muslims treat the qur'an as infallible
The literal word of god as delivered to Muahmmad by the archangel Gabriel
The bible is more equivalent to the hadiths which are just a compilation of stories etc. about the life of Muhammad since he's deemed the perfect man
However at least the hadiths are open to interpretation/questioning as they're not the literal word of god
A muslim might argue that the hadiths which mention Muhammad being a pedophile aren't authentic or whatever for example
But you can't do this with the qur'an
If the qur'an say to kill apostates (which it does) there's no arguing about it
Perhaps. Never forget that Protestantism- the source of most degenerate/withered Christianity- was founded on Sola Scriptura
If various powers could wear that down overtime, the same can theoretically be done with Islam
Well yes. It's birthed the most fundamentalist and liberal churches
And it actually is somewhat similiar in islam
Like moderate mosques are pretty much doing the same thign as Ahmadiyya by avoiding the uncomfortable Suras
Whereas Ahmadiyya is the extreme end of it
There isn't an authoritative head in islam outside the Ayatollah in Iran afaik
The Turkish sultan used to fill the role of caliph/head of sunni islam too
Hard to say how it'll turn out in the end
At least in Tunisia you can see that tourism has made a more liberal islam win elections over the muslim brotherhood
Yeah, could be interesting
It really comes down to what power is able to leverage it's international infrastructure quicker
I don't think so