Message from @Mr. Nessel

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2020-02-03 19:15:18 UTC  

The literal word of god as delivered to Muahmmad by the archangel Gabriel

2020-02-03 19:16:11 UTC  

The bible is more equivalent to the hadiths which are just a compilation of stories etc. about the life of Muhammad since he's deemed the perfect man

2020-02-03 19:16:42 UTC  

However at least the hadiths are open to interpretation/questioning as they're not the literal word of god

2020-02-03 19:17:10 UTC  

A muslim might argue that the hadiths which mention Muhammad being a pedophile aren't authentic or whatever for example

2020-02-03 19:17:26 UTC  

But you can't do this with the qur'an

2020-02-03 19:17:53 UTC  

If the qur'an say to kill apostates (which it does) there's no arguing about it

2020-02-03 19:22:32 UTC  

Perhaps. Never forget that Protestantism- the source of most degenerate/withered Christianity- was founded on Sola Scriptura

2020-02-03 19:23:01 UTC  

If various powers could wear that down overtime, the same can theoretically be done with Islam

2020-02-03 19:23:03 UTC  

Well yes. It's birthed the most fundamentalist and liberal churches

2020-02-03 19:23:28 UTC  

And it actually is somewhat similiar in islam

2020-02-03 19:24:15 UTC  

Like moderate mosques are pretty much doing the same thign as Ahmadiyya by avoiding the uncomfortable Suras

2020-02-03 19:24:28 UTC  

Whereas Ahmadiyya is the extreme end of it

2020-02-03 19:24:55 UTC  

There isn't an authoritative head in islam outside the Ayatollah in Iran afaik

2020-02-03 19:25:26 UTC  

The Turkish sultan used to fill the role of caliph/head of sunni islam too

2020-02-03 19:25:57 UTC  

Hard to say how it'll turn out in the end

2020-02-03 19:26:38 UTC  

At least in Tunisia you can see that tourism has made a more liberal islam win elections over the muslim brotherhood

2020-02-03 19:31:37 UTC  

Yeah, could be interesting

2020-02-03 19:33:34 UTC  

It really comes down to what power is able to leverage it's international infrastructure quicker

2020-02-03 20:11:16 UTC  

I don't think so

2020-02-03 20:11:43 UTC  

As far as I can see leftist that turn "pagan" just maker it abotu giving into their bestial nature

2020-02-03 20:11:52 UTC  

They want to fuck around and whatnot

2020-02-03 20:12:09 UTC  

It seems like a repeat of the matriarchal fertility cults

2020-02-03 20:23:42 UTC  

I think you would expect to see a Cult of Dionysius in any legitimate pagan practice. A machine cult would probably be a Cult of Apollo, but this would trend towards Christianity anyway. While there might be a small section of Apollonians devoid of Dionysianism, I think the Dionysian element would quickly overtake the Apollonian and act in opposition to Christianity.

2020-02-03 20:25:16 UTC  

It'll be fun to see all sorts of space cults pop up once it's been demonstrated you can just live on Mars or whatever
In a way it might be a chance for the more upstanding elements to leave a morally rotten earthy behind

2020-02-03 20:25:52 UTC  

Can't wait for a Martian theocracy to yeet earth with an asteroid causing shitlibs to go extinct

2020-02-03 20:26:13 UTC  

I'm joking

2020-02-03 20:26:30 UTC  

There's actual potential for escaping this mess though

2020-02-03 20:29:21 UTC  

Btw Zeon did nothing wrong

2020-02-03 20:29:42 UTC  

whats so bad about sola scriptura. all that means is that all that's necessary for salvation is contained within scripture

2020-02-03 20:30:01 UTC  

i dont see why catholics disagree with this

2020-02-03 20:30:14 UTC  

because whenever we debate practices

2020-02-03 20:30:21 UTC  

they always use the bible to justify what they do

2020-02-03 20:30:37 UTC  

Something something papal infallibility in case he's speaking ex cathedra

2020-02-03 20:30:49 UTC  

they try to justify the traditions of church through scripture

2020-02-03 20:30:55 UTC  

protestants just disagree

2020-02-03 20:32:50 UTC  

the council

2020-02-03 20:37:08 UTC  

The main strength about catholicism and orthodoxy is the strength that comes from organizing, however treating it as anything other than an administrative issue has lead to all sorts of nonsense

2020-02-03 20:37:53 UTC  

I think something broke when imperial authority over the church was sidelined

2020-02-03 20:38:00 UTC  

It gave it more cohesion

2020-02-03 20:38:19 UTC  

And stopped stuff like a bishop callign himself infallible and whantnot

2020-02-03 20:40:19 UTC  

In a way I dislike dogma not that I necessarily disagree with its points about morality but because it's not flexible
I'm a strong believer in good being something real but intangible and belief in this would sort of be a self correcting mechanism