Message from @Mr. Nessel
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In a way I dislike dogma not that I necessarily disagree with its points about morality but because it's not flexible
I'm a strong believer in good being something real but intangible and belief in this would sort of be a self correcting mechanism
Getting hung up on the details is just a corrosive thing for society
I'm not a christian so I don't agree but fine
the thing about dogma is what keeps me from the catholics as well
like i hate marian devotion and veneration of the saints
Well yes but you don't have access to the literal word of god just writings about what Jesus said etc.
i really do think its idolatry
but i cant be catholic and not believe that
In principle even to a christian good is mostly intangible
You have some orientation
But not all the answers
also some other disagreements
but they are more minor
dosent the catholic church roundly condemn the death penalty as well
I don't care about the veneration of saints but it allowed for pagans to convert to the church by rebranding gods and whatnot
thats exactly the problem though
it was something that evolved out of conviencence and then catholics have to argue that its totally 100% scriptural
I think the veneration of saints is kind of ppl coping with their monotheistic beliefs when ppl have tendencies going both towards unity of god/good and multiplicitousness
Same thing with the trinity
It's not a blatant violation of monotheism per se but definitely an expression of pagan mindsets
Which is why I'm saying it's intangible
Striving for virtue is the main path towards it
That's why muslims call trinitarianism paganism
The intuitive way to express an unkowable god is to say he is unknowable, not to lay out a complex multiplictious nature of him which ppl can understand
not sure if anyone has explained this
the criteria for inclusion in the new testament wasw
1. it had to be attributed to an Apostle, either directly written by or written on behalf of
2. it had to be widely accepted
3. it had to have some value and not contradict the rest of the new testament
This is the earliest list of canon we have
the oldest fragment we have is from the Gospel of John and is within a hundred years of it being written
@Mr. Nessel yes but the clear difference between Christianity is that God, loving His creation, reveals Himself to it and became a part of it, without losing His divinity. Islam just believes their god is utterly unknowable. Except what he revealed to his prophet, I guess.
Now this is probably best for <#668911109562040371>, but I'm curious about your ontology regarding 'good'
What is 'good'
You say it is intangible, but imply it must be knowable somehow
How does one know, therefore, if something is good? By what process to they intuit or recognize good? How does one measure what is good versus not good?
> Striving for virtue is the main path towards it
How does one know what is virtuous?
Well you can't know for certain. The point is you're able to reach for it but never grasp it fully
@A B S O L U T I S T i would also like you to answer why sola scriptura leads to degeneracy
You only have your intuition to rely on and the drive to be good