And intelligence is not the same as intellect.

Not at all really to be honest, you aren't substituting a reason with an offence.

Yes, so we can agree then on the golden rule? Love thy neighbour as thy own self, or This is the sum of duty; do naught onto others what you would not have them do unto you.

Yes, i just need to confirm if we agree to it, so we can agree to measure one another argument by it. 🙂

Yeah started listening to audio books too, actually wasn't to start finding some good quality sources.

Agreed, I'm so happy to know I'm not the only one to notice the propaganda.. It's shameless how open they are about it even.

Wait, what about a winner now? Everyone must be a winner if we agree on the golden rule, that's the point for me to suggest using that as a measure.

You can't say that lol... Yet you said it and proved them wrong.. The ignorance lol

Yes, but this isn't a debate, it's us reasoning together

Doing the whole logos thing, the relationship of brotherhood

Yeah agreed, golden rule is the only rule you need. Confucias had it nicely set for societal approach. Do not do to others what you would not like yourself. Then there will be no resentment against you, either in the family or in the state.

DeeJay you agree to the golden rule as the ideal way to define what's reasonable?

Ah that's a discussion on solutions... We should maybe try get a room going for that where we can reason on solutions to our problems

Lol traditional and a modern update to it

I disagree with some of that though, value is needed... But it probably refers to material value.

Exactly, there's value that's needed... It's not material though. Which was my point

No, you value good as opposed to evil don't you?

Yeah but I'll have to bring up last nights argument again on ideology. These are all ideas, and ideas aren't inherently bad, you can't say you have NO IDEA what truth or reason is. You need an idea, and serving an idea you know to be good is not the same as being deceptively enslaved by an idea that's bad.

Why not just fast intermittently, you still get into ketosis that way and it's much more reasonable since it offers more consistency, as opposed to the chaotic interruptions you cause your body with the heavy start and stop

My battery is almost kaput, still haven't all agreed on how we define what's reasonable. Rob you are on board with the golden rule yeah? And what about you Deejay?

Yes i know that... You trying to convince me?

Agreed with that too on the spiritual realm. As above, so below, as within, so without. Inside and all around us, omniscient and omnipotent

Yes, actually funny, I saw some videos on that with Putin comparing communism with Christianity, trying to mimic it in a reversed way.

Indeed it is yeah, agreed.

DeeJay, you are saying we should do nothing, fast and be lazy, unlearn what we've learnt, ideas are bad.... But then you go on to propagate ideas none the less, aren't you?

Yes and they all participate in the material realm.

Lol it does evolve into many different branches

Yes, agreed.. Measured by the Golden rule, very reasonable to agree with that. To serve a will greater than our selfish desires.

Lol all of that can only be understood by ideas... Why do you oppose using a reasonable definition for ideology, why do you insist using your definition that vilifies it? Where is this prejudice rooted?

Elaborate

It's a collection of ideas, axioms and maxims, principles.

Yes and ideology shapes your perception right? Influences your choices and the way you understand and interact with the material world. It's a collection of ideas that shape your understanding. Religion is probably the better term to define the worshipping of an idea.

Yes, those ideas you prefer, form your ideological perception of the world and w what you value.

Same story being repeated in a fresh perspective... The present rhymes like that with history.

Agreed, and corruption always looks for a way to subvert the truth... 😑

Lol

I haven't read that much yet to be honest, I've only awoken from my slumber about 4 years ago. So much to catch up and learn still, but so much garbage to sift through.

Yes, this is why i also put so much emphasis on reasoning... I need to be able to discern, don't want to fall in the trap of doing with whatever my feelings dictate.

I've had a few trips, but i catagorize the dependency of poisoning the body to induce that as not the optimal way.

Yeah fasting I agree with, i mean it requires mastery and free will not to be a slave to your biological composition.

Yeah mushrooms was actually an alternate method of suicide, instead of actually offing myself, i substituted it with an ego death instead. Dont regret it at all. I genuinely do believe that these substances have their merits and values, but I do oppose the recreational abuse of it.

and 10 grams i think is way more than the necessary threshold, that's losing complete control i would imagine, I havent gone above 3grams yet honestly.

Yeah agreed with that, but ive heard some of the garbage many of those psychonauts return with... not the best of intentions

Yeah 5grams is a lot for something that tastes like shit lol, honestly thats why i never got to 5grams, i get to a point of wanting to vomit... and this is coming from someone that doesnt even like normal veggie mushrooms lol

Yeah i got that full experience with DMT instead, shorter experience than mushrooms, but jam packed with experiences.

I prefer the intermittent fasting, reserve my 3 day fast for easter holidays, very convenient, and what better time to fast than the time when chocolate is so abundant lol, self restraint and self mastery of a high degree lol

I can agree with that, just a pity for many they can also bullshit themselves...

I am not cool with multiculturism, i dont see the point of marrying different cultures... Not bothered by race though, I think naturally we go for what is familiar to us, however for some, the relate on different grounds. I think it is important to observe same values and ideas more importantly than appearances.

lol you can, there is an entire movement that isdedicated to it and legitimizes it, called atheism lol..

lol

🌍 if you think about it, it's earth, on a 2D XY axis only.... it's your conditioning that accepts it as a 3Dimentional conception lol

CHeers DeeJay, laters

I think culture shapes us biologically, not the other way around... What you imply is a source, I observe as a result

Because they dont have the right set of ideas, they have never developed and progressed ideologically, hence they never progressed biologically or even technologically. Their inability to even feed themselves properly suffered them malnutrition, which biologically affected and regressed their biological development, like having a high IQ for example... doesnt mean they cant achieve it if they accept the right set of ideas.

They dont come from anywhere lol all ideas are repititions of older ideas, simply updated in a more modern context... Ideas are observed, not created. Ideas are ever present.

Indeed, one is material the other spiritual... Some lean towards one and another some lean towards the other, while others are balanced between the two.

Why not expand and make it home for everyone. It's not like you have to pay a fee or anything to create a room/group? Lol

because somewhere has to exist within time and space.... ideas dont exist in time and space

Again, "where" assumes a location within time and space. if you are going think strictly in terms of materialism, your interpretations will be prejudiced in favor of materialism.

also care to provide some verses for the argument that the bible opposes interracial marriage?

As many as you can share please?

lol getting in on the propaganda action for shits and giggles

instead of seeing, you can observe, and instead of hearing, you can listen. Instead of feeling, you can think. It leads to understanding as opposed to judgement. If you going to judge, you should judge righteous judgement, not on appearances, and appearances being a reference to how something makes you feel, which tends to be pretty shallow reactions, as opposed to in depth responses.

How about those verses please? want to look into that

@Conscious Caracal I wouldnt compare if you do it with structure. If there are people willing to dedicate themselves to such a group, them elevate them to moderate it guided by set of principles that govern all other groups. It's when you do away with that structure of enforcing the principle, that it inevitably becomes a mess.

lol by shits and giggles, I was referring to something not intended to be used as a definitive fact. What i posted is not in the same league as what you post though, that's all.

I am sure Malcolm would accept the responisibility of maintaining order in that group

Why undermine us though like we are children? Not attacking you, just reasoning with you. It does come across as not having much faith in us... if a group becomes a problem or idle for too long with no maintenance i am sure it can be closed down with little criticism.

What resource constraint though, if Malcolm wishes to accept the responsibility, it is his time, not yours.

Sure no problem lol

just again, not attacking you, dont take it the wrong way lol

Yes I agree, but if someone is going to take on a group, they are going to do the necessary marketing to attract attention, like I said, if it becomes idle for too long, or a problem, can put an end to it with little issue.

Sure, I can wait, I have patience lol, doesnt mean I can't talk ideas right?

lol Deejay?

lol yeah, we had some back and forth today, got a new person to join us, Rob... also pretty cool engaging guy. Just struggling to find common ground with Deejay still, he seems hesitant on agreeing on the golden rule, not sure what common ground he is looking for though

Yeah I am reading each verse, so far nothing pointing out specific races, but rather focused on cultures really. I can see as a materialist how one can imply it as race, but then how do you reason with verses like "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;" or "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."....but will read through them all and see if there is anything i missed that might give legitimacy to your material basis.

lol of course you would find Paul questionable... His words dont jive with your feelings. Jer 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

that a dating site? lol

Okay, let's entertain it and browse the catalogue

Oh i like this already

dink jy moet aansluit voor jy kan kyk, besig nou... sal julle laat weet as dit moeite werd is lol

So then state your case, lets investigate it together.

yeah no, doesnt tell me much about race, just culture, ideology... which is what the literature is founded upon.

lol like i said, you can interpret it as material, so you interpret it as inter-race but you could have inter-faith mongrels too you know. really a matter of perspective. Now the fact that you have to reject other parts of the literature just to justify you understanding kinda shows that you dont understand the whole literature, you arent very wholesome. "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;" and "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Yes, it describes other ideologies, you perceive other races. You have a prejudice towards race, and so your interpretation will be tainted by the subjectivity of your prejudice.

thanks, alienate really is a suitable enough word to support the argument.

lol

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@crazyBoer lol kinda odd, no option for single, or even caucasian lol... you sure this site is legit for afrikaners? lol

haha noted

I wouldnt be surprised if anyone attempted to infiltrate the commununity

Yeah isnt that the problem, that the government does not want anything to do with them, being the reason they want out?

lol

Call the cops or security?

yes i didnt say it would be worth while, but you are allowed to call them none the less'

Yeah i only believe in an objective law, no need for man made laws governed by emotions and political correctness.

Welcome to the corner... away from all the normal folk lol

Double standards