Liberalistism is GAY

And it's the same as liberalism, it's just autist gaymers who think they're different than the left because they have REAL liberalism, and science

DEBATE ME

good I win

"free"?

From what?

Why is freedom a good thing?

Tranny's want to be free of gender, so they attack it as a construct. Is that a good thing? @!dammnation3(Liberalist)

You're basically exactly the same as SJW trannies, except you're just fighting against the old "Man" of the 90's, religious morality. You know, the idea you shouldn't be a slut and you should get a job and it 's your fault if you're poor.

haha wow thats a silly argument.

I better call up plato and aristotle, this guy wants to be a dickhead to the government.

I actually did, I responded by saying "it doesn't matter your question is stupid"

Exactly.

@!dammnation3(Liberalist) "Have you even READ loche" haha goddamn that's such a stupid thing to say.

You don't have an argument, just a condescending tone, that's it.

Now the idea that you presented, that speaking truth to power is how we get our wants and needs protected, that's not necessarily true.

What if what you want is not what you need, what if you don't know what you need?

What if you're a communist? They need LESS freedom.

@Benedict XVII Well what I mean by good is in a more universalistic sense the "Extrapolation of the universe". There's a term, agape, that I think expresses this really well.

It's the love that god has for mankind, the desire to see the universe fulfilled within us essentially.

I think the fulfillment of the universe, reaching the potential that we have and ever increasing our potential as an expression of universal will itself is "Good".

which is why liberalistism is a faulty ideology that is dumbo's first "philosophy"

not necessarily.

Personal freedoms, from what?

State tyranny? Sure.

How about gender?

Freedom from work?

Freedom from genetic disadvantage due to your background?

Well

what if you're a communist?

harmful stuff should happen to you.

Why not?

What if they're about to be voted into power?

Civil war is violence.

Should we not have gone into civil war against the south to destroy slavery?

ok. "What if you believe in slavery, should bad stuff happen to you?"

We shouldn't have invaded the south, just let them have slaves.

Communists are trying to instate communism, and forcibly enslave other people. So while violence against individuals may be beyond the pale, institutional discrimination against communist groups is simply the logical result.

harming? No, discriminating against to stop them from spreading their ideology? Yes. Not letting them organize into political parties ect.

So you agree

freedom is not the highest value.

People who value freedom as the highest value are simply opening us up to infiltration by harmful actors.

Well no, that was to raven

Ok, so lets go beyond that.

What if an individual is a harmful actor outside of an ideological sphere?

@CelestialMorningLight ok, so then you shouldn't let people be oppressed by gender identity

we need to destroy gender.

that's the only way to get true freedom.

it's clear that there is.

I want to be a non gendar alien kin, and society doesn't respect that decision.

That curtails my personal freedom to be what I want.

that's oppression.

I should have ultimate freedom to do what I want.

Well, depends on your definition on burdensome, cruel or unjust.

At this point we're just splitting hairs

so lets say I think that society not letting me have my drivers license say "dragonkin" is burdensome.

Celestial, don't be a stupid faggot.

I'm using your defintion you little winy cuck.

Lets say that people mocking me is a form of verbal abuse, and while I don't think that government should mandate people respect me, we should have social campaigns to push drankonkin acceptance and socially isolate people who disagree.

Lets say that we as people decide to start boycotting anyone who disagree, and start driving people out of business, creating a corporate culture where only people who agree with me can thrive

essentially meaning that you cannot express that idea in public without getting fired.

no

bf's home.

not that he'll mind

more like I don't like having autistic conversations while boo's home

in my hypothetical situation, all corporations hold these values

and you are now forced to agree to them by social pressure.

what do you do?

Societal pressure that keeps these corporations from forming.

boycots, protests, direct action like companies refusing to do business deals with them ect.

yes, laws against boycots protests and refusing service dont' exist in my hypothetical

as well as in real life, dumbo.

So this situation happens. What do you do?

You are now, through no use of the government, forced to agree with dragonkin vocally

simply with social pressure.

And then they get shut down

because of boycots, protests, ect ect ect.

what if they all do?

Not everywhere.

There's no company I know of that publicy advocates for race realism.

goddamn damnation

you are seriously making a stupid argument.

haha gigawhite

that's great.

So lets replace this dragonkin with anything

lets say with socialism

(also politically with higher taxation ect)

lets say with gay rights

lets say with pedophilia

lets say with marxism

or postmodernism or anything.

And lets say that they win.

They do.

So at what point do you say "No, I don't care that the majority of people agree with this, we are going to force you to follow what I say"

When they reduce the age of consent to 13?

When they tax you at 50% and nationalize industries?

When they use public tax dollars to fund universities to radicalize people into socialist perspectives?

when international NGO's support and prop up direct action for migration, like literally renting boats to ferry "migrants" to your shores?

I agree, so we should lower age of consent to 13 and if you disagree ur a bigot.

At what point does someone's freedom run up against your freedom, or is that simply a matter of defining what it means to be "free" and what you'll take before you're personally pissed off enough to commit direct action?