Message from @Ape

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2018-06-07 03:49:22 UTC  

Tranny's want to be free of gender, so they attack it as a construct. Is that a good thing? @!dammnation3(Liberalist)

2018-06-07 03:50:10 UTC  

You're basically exactly the same as SJW trannies, except you're just fighting against the old "Man" of the 90's, religious morality. You know, the idea you shouldn't be a slut and you should get a job and it 's your fault if you're poor.

2018-06-07 03:55:41 UTC  

Freedom is a great thing because you have the options to be a dickhead to the government and you actually don't go to jail.

2018-06-07 03:56:41 UTC  

haha wow thats a silly argument.

2018-06-07 03:56:49 UTC  

and you didn't actually respond to the question i asked about the western world being more or less free.

2018-06-07 03:56:55 UTC  

I better call up plato and aristotle, this guy wants to be a dickhead to the government.

2018-06-07 03:57:05 UTC  

I actually did, I responded by saying "it doesn't matter your question is stupid"

2018-06-07 03:58:08 UTC  

no, that's actually the first time i got a real response. thank you for providing an answer.

2018-06-07 04:08:36 UTC  

let's follow this trail of logic a bit. Speaking truth to power is how an invdividual ensures that their wants and needs are protected. suggesting that protecting your own thoughts is a stupid question shows a lack of understanding of basic liberties.

2018-06-07 04:56:47 UTC  

@Ape, well, I think your question, "Why is freedom a good thing?" to be a very interesting question. What do you mean by good?

2018-06-07 05:00:50 UTC  

Exactly.

2018-06-07 05:01:22 UTC  

@!dammnation3(Liberalist) "Have you even READ loche" haha goddamn that's such a stupid thing to say.

2018-06-07 05:01:35 UTC  

You don't have an argument, just a condescending tone, that's it.

2018-06-07 05:02:02 UTC  

Now the idea that you presented, that speaking truth to power is how we get our wants and needs protected, that's not necessarily true.

2018-06-07 05:02:17 UTC  

when did i ever ask about reading philosphy books?

2018-06-07 05:02:20 UTC  

What if what you want is not what you need, what if you don't know what you need?

2018-06-07 05:02:28 UTC  

What if you're a communist? They need LESS freedom.

2018-06-07 05:03:31 UTC  

@Benedict XVII Well what I mean by good is in a more universalistic sense the "Extrapolation of the universe". There's a term, agape, that I think expresses this really well.

2018-06-07 05:03:57 UTC  

It's the love that god has for mankind, the desire to see the universe fulfilled within us essentially.

2018-06-07 05:04:03 UTC  

ah, agape. I've been through enough catholic school to know what that means

2018-06-07 05:04:24 UTC  

I think the fulfillment of the universe, reaching the potential that we have and ever increasing our potential as an expression of universal will itself is "Good".

2018-06-07 05:04:59 UTC  

which is why liberalistism is a faulty ideology that is dumbo's first "philosophy"

2018-06-07 05:05:02 UTC  

well wouldn't expanded personal freedoms allow people to reach that potential easier?

2018-06-07 05:05:12 UTC  

not necessarily.

2018-06-07 05:05:22 UTC  

Personal freedoms, from what?

2018-06-07 05:05:25 UTC  

moreso than no personal freedoms

2018-06-07 05:05:29 UTC  

from state tyranny

2018-06-07 05:05:34 UTC  

State tyranny? Sure.

2018-06-07 05:05:37 UTC  

How about gender?

2018-06-07 05:05:41 UTC  

Freedom from work?

2018-06-07 05:05:52 UTC  

if people are allowed to operate in their own interests as they see fit, then they get to determine what their own potential is and reach it.

2018-06-07 05:05:55 UTC  

Freedom from genetic disadvantage due to your background?

2018-06-07 05:06:06 UTC  

freedom from other people doing harmful stuff to you. Now what stuff is harmful is another discussion

2018-06-07 05:06:20 UTC  

well its positive rights vs. negative rights

2018-06-07 05:06:28 UTC  

Well

2018-06-07 05:06:30 UTC  

what if you're a communist?

2018-06-07 05:06:40 UTC  

harmful stuff should happen to you.

2018-06-07 05:07:04 UTC  

communists are ideologically wrong, but political belief doesn't justify violence

2018-06-07 05:07:15 UTC  

Why not?

2018-06-07 05:07:20 UTC  

What if they're about to be voted into power?

2018-06-07 05:07:23 UTC  

Civil war is violence.