what if you're a communist?

harmful stuff should happen to you.

communists are ideologically wrong, but political belief doesn't justify violence

Why not?

What if they're about to be voted into power?

Civil war is violence.

put the shoe on the other foot, "what if you're a fascist, harmful stuff should happen to you"

Should we not have gone into civil war against the south to destroy slavery?

ok. "What if you believe in slavery, should bad stuff happen to you?"

We shouldn't have invaded the south, just let them have slaves.

@Ape, as a Catholic, I agree. I think that we can say God is good. And so conforming to God's will is good. So our actions ought to conform to God's will. But, I'm curious, how do you think we ought to conform ourselves to God's will?

if they try to instate slavery, and forcibly enslave other people, then yes

then its self defense

Communists are trying to instate communism, and forcibly enslave other people. So while violence against individuals may be beyond the pale, institutional discrimination against communist groups is simply the logical result.

I believe preemptively harming them is not the answer

yup, and i agree with what you have just said, ape.

what is your point?

ok, institutional discrimination against ideologies is different

harming? No, discriminating against to stop them from spreading their ideology? Yes. Not letting them organize into political parties ect.

you are out in the philisophical weeds here, connect it back for me.

So you agree

freedom is not the highest value.

People who value freedom as the highest value are simply opening us up to infiltration by harmful actors.

i agree that you have accurately described a communist.

@Ape, was that question to me?

well that's why we structure our society to prevent harmful actors

Well no, that was to raven

read the federalist papers

Ok, so lets go beyond that.

What if an individual is a harmful actor outside of an ideological sphere?

No, Liberty (IE the freedom from oppression) is the highest value

@CelestialMorningLight ok, so then you shouldn't let people be oppressed by gender identity

we need to destroy gender.

that's the only way to get true freedom.

@Ape It needs to be demonstrated that there *is* any oppression there to begin with

it's clear that there is.

I want to be a non gendar alien kin, and society doesn't respect that decision.

That curtails my personal freedom to be what I want.

that's oppression.

I should have ultimate freedom to do what I want.

oppression

[uh-presh-uh n]

SynonymsExamplesWord Origin

See more synonyms on Thesaurus.comnounthe exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.