Do you know what is that?

Hungarians are not Slavs :p

But never mind

@marstomper Nope, Hungarian first rebellion against Hapsburgs lead by II Rakoczi Frenec, who was the "fejedelem" of the Erdelyi Fejedelemseg.

Yep

So the Hapsburg rule was always questioned up until 1867.

That was an important date and kind of consolidation.

@Markomann don't care what you think about that, that yours to think.

@Markomann haha, nope.

Somebody who knows nothing shall be not served.

Sorry, you have to do better.

@Chawosaurian Sure. By the way the peace treaties after WWI was a first attempt to create some ethnically homogeneous states in place of then Austrian-Hungarian Empire.

Sorry, again

Not Slav

Finnish-Ugrish language family.

We are not even have an Indo_European language 😛

Lvov

Have you been there?

I am not proud or ashamed. I am stating facts.

Yep, I have been there.

Visited the Polish graves of Lemberg

A resolution of the fallout of the Empire and fight between Ukrainians and Polish of he area in the 20s

An important pilgrimage of Polish.

You can hate as many countries as you want.

Actually that happened later. That part was until that time part of Austrian-Hungarian EMpire.

Again, for long there was no real difference. Remember the area is important of Russian culture overall as Kiev Rus is a kind of the cradle.

But there had been divergent events and cultural differences. One main one is religion. West Ukraine is dominantly Catholic.

East Ukraine (the more Russian supporters) are Orthodox.

@Weaboo Kempeitai Heavy questions. The main problem is a break of International law (The Budapest treaty) and the geopolitical destabilisation of the area.

Both US and Russia promised a territorial sovereignty to Ukraine in exchange of them giving up their nukes.

@Muad'Dib It is not even that the main question. How worthy was for Russian for that move and loose support in other close by countries? You see a rise of anti-Russian sentiments in many close by countries (Poland, Hungary, etc).

@Chawosaurian Sure. But the question here not even that.

It is a diplomatic credibility and how much an ally Russia can be in long term.

So if Russia would supported a new regime or rebellion siding by them (secretly) that is a different message than breaking their own word.

@Muad'Dib Absolutely.

But probably Russia did the age old American way of waging a war when internal politics is getting rough.

@Muad'Dib It is not NATO. Nope. In Hungary the recent government licks Russian politicans back side, population still embraces an anti-Russian sentiments.

It is a long historical conflict of the region.

And again just to say Ukraine's problem was about NATO/Russia is simplification. You seen a deep rooted cultural difference of West Ukraine and East (around the same line as Catholic/Orthodox)

@Chawosaurian Nope. Hungarians angry at having a secret pact of building a second nuclear power plant without a need of it, or seeing the best offer.

They also angry when Russia shut down gas pipes to manipulate Ukraine back years ago, but that affected Hungary as well.

They also angry opening a bank in Hungarian soil that acts as an embassy.

So essentially Hungary will have no control of he bank's territory, can't enter.

Russian bank

Sure it secures Orban if there will be some uprising against him.

@Muad'Dib Sure but that is slightly different. Though in the end can function same.

Nope, but he has to think ahead.

He is in power for 10 years, and caused many problems.

Also the electoral law changes can go so far.

Of what?

Pretending he did resolved it?

While accepted teh same amount of immigrants that the EU quota would told us?

Secretly?

To have settlement program to anyone pays enough to state bonds?

Soros? You know who paid for Orban's education?

Soros.

@Muad'Dib he opened up teh borders between Austria and Hungary without doing the job of recodring immigrants, while EU offered support.

So is that real solution?

He ushed the issue to Serbians and Croatians.

Is that a solution?

@Chawosaurian Orban regime survives due the clever redistribution of EU finds.

@Muad'Dib He changed electoral laws.

Also he spent more on the Soros campaign than Brexit was in UK.

UK has 86 million residents around

Hungary has less than London's

And that is why Merkel does nothing against him, yes

Orban helps the centre-right keep a majority in EU parliament.

Also Orban essentially did every economical deal with Germany that keeps German car industry afloat.

So he is economically and politically helps and plays around between EU and Russia.

That is his game.

Well the vote won't be about Brexit, but general election.

Not sure. Boris voted againt a Brexit deal couple of times so far

If he would not done that, Brexit would had happened in May.

(along with some other Conservatives and DUP)

They voted against the deal, and thus prolonged the Brexit game.

No deal will open up another decade of hard negotiation though.

That will be about the trade deals.

Well DUP is not directly against a deal but against any deal that will have a different status of Northern Ireland and rest of UK

Which realistically almost every deal would do.

@Muad'Dib Not really (only) about that.

It is known that trade deals takes long, often decades of arguing.

And EU known as a harsh dealer.

So if hard Brexit happens they have nothing to worry about anymore about being as harsh as in their usual trade deals.

Nope. Free trade is not god for EU

So if they offer a country outside a free trade without the usual models (Aka Norway for example, or Turkey), they won't do it.

@Rick Turpin That fledling trade at the moment still the strongest trade zone.

Will change after UK leaves, but will be important (for a while at least)

@Chawosaurian EU just wnated to do their own army.

One of the campaign point of Brexiteers that they do not want an unified command.

@Rick Turpin That is why they are pushing and this liks with Ukraine too.

So breaking the international law and not acting as US on the treaty one signed, Eu pushed forward this plan of EU army.

EU structure is not about free trade but common market.

Actually the opposite. Erdogan drove further away Turkey from joining and he prides himself as such.

@Muad'Dib I take no moral standpoint on here. Brexit have some other underlying issues aside of Eu though, more to do with teh 4 nations.

And UK political structure itself.

@Muad'Dib Yes, but that was about economical gains, and not joining.

They wanted EU to chip in extra support to keep teh refugee camps

So Turkey is already in EU trade zone, as in they can trade freely.

But they can't do their individual trade deals.

They sit together with EU.