@Deleted User On the Hungarian mention. Hungary's 1945's event and Soviet troops are not a liberation. Neither straightforwardly an invasion. Hungary was allied by the Axis, due Horthy Miklos wanted to pulled out, the Nyilas Keresztes took over. But this is not a clear occupation. This is actually a highly debatable subject back home: most of the population think it was an invasion, another (probably less than half) as a liberation. But many would agree that this had been turned over around 48-49 and even if it was a liberation army it became an occupational one.

@Hit That Yeet Simple.

There are very simple measurable ways how immigration can and do increase wellbeing. Let's explore UK as it is today.

Large number of the NHS workers are immigrants.

Immigrants are also younger than local generation and do pay in a large amount of taxes for their proportion - which helps to pay the pensions of the elderly.

Two examples

Where immigration can and do increase wellbeing.

Sure, I mean you can have half emplyment, close down half of the hospitals, right?

That is an option too.

Well actually statistically teh larget group of positive taxpayers in UK at the moment is EU immigrants (or was couple of years back)

Mostly due the younger age

Even none EU immigrants beaten UK citizens

Again due teh age distributions mostly.

Nope, I told none EU immigrants also positive pay in in tax contributers, better than none immigrants (locals)

And that ios mostly due teh aging population.

You see (I am worked in care sector) people above hundred quite regularly.

Ok, I have a guest now, we can talk a minute. Do your research until.

@SOLO So you have to translate your question a little. We know aging population is an issue. Right? More people inactive, reaching a physical limit where they can contribute to the economy efficiently, and thus they are taking out the "common". Right? And influx of skilled (or even unskilled) labour who produce income and sustain the infrastructures could be essential to resolve the demographic problem of aging, right?

(I will be slow to answer, I do have guest up and about, so will check my screen later)

@نشيد On you my dear friend, well I think there had been applied resolution in your desired system to resolve such impacts, simply eliminating the undesired population (which in case inactive).

@Deleted User Hungarian population drops with massive wave of emigration not known since 56. Hungarian birth rate have risen a little - that means the dropping rate is not so steep.

The tax reduction programs had been there since first Orban government of 98-2002, but mostly the elite can take it. It is a redistribution of wealth from everyone to those on the top.

The new ones, yes, it had no significant effect.

Same structure still.

Also on the side note, while Orban refused teh quota system - he did accepted around teh same number of immigrants. Just not loudly.

Also there is a scheme running where people can buy National/state bonds and gets residency/easy citizenship.

There had been a programme couple of years ago trying to attract back the Hungarian young emigrants and failed miserably.

Even offered some cash if one would go back.

@Deleted User

https://www.napi.hu/magyar_gazdasag/demografia-szuletes-halal-eskuvo-ksh.692200.html

8021 pár kötött házasságot, ez 31 százalékos növekedés.

The whole Julius there had been (for teh whole country 8021 marriage

So while teh 31% increase looks great, insignificant and still very low amount of actual people of the population enters to marriage.

In the meantime the newly born babies dropped 2.2% from last year of the same amount of time.

Though if you just compare the July data with the last year July you have a 0.7% increase.And that still adds the overall drop of 2.2%.

@Chawosaurian It is not the feminism, it is the chance to live a normal life.

Everyone who can leaves.

You have to lick Orban's bottom and be loyal to the party if you want to reach anything.

Nope, it is not. We have teh worst emigration rate since 56.

And drops birth rate too.

So nope, @Deleted User , Orban's programs are not helping.

10 years he is in the leadership, often more than 2/3 of the seats

@Deleted User Stats are speaking for themselves

Also mind you Orban had been in power since almost 90, as the leader of Fidesz.

He was always part of elite, and since 2002 while went opposition the most strongest party was after MSZP.

@Deleted User I am not ignorant. I live in reality.

And I know what happening in my country,

Yep. You see there is a sharp increase after war, there were a period of time abortion was banned

Called Ratko-korszak

He was the one doing the population/medical policies of the time.

That is the Hungarian "boomer" generation.

Shifted around mid 80s.

Or earlier. I see 75?

So good question. I think it has some similar reason why boomers had less people.

After WWII there had been more kids everywhere.

And you see some drop around the same time elsewhere too.

And nope. It was an Eastern Block country

So ignore women quotas

That had been there since after the War 😛

In fact in teh 50s there had been push to women to take traditional male roles.

So you can't explain the drop with feminism.

Hungarian birth rate.

Yep

Depends on who you ask. If you are close to the party it is good.

Essentially it is a one party system, with strong centralisation in every aspect.

You wish. Actually statistic speaks otherwise.

And? If your population still drops and teh best escapes (as in term of profession)?

We have not enough people to fill the health care and GPs.

The difference is.

Hungary started way better than Albania.

In fact in the 80s it had better economical position than Poland or many of the other Eastern Block countries.

So from starting here and now you have to cmpare to Albania, sure, whatever

That is rather the WWII

So we lost almost 400-500 thousand citizens in the end year.

Some would say they were not Hungarian, that is an argument you will decide. But statistics calculate them.

@marstomper Hungarians never been deeply spiritual.

More common with Czech historically. Catholic religion was a religion (from modernity) of the occupier.

In paper Catholic religion, but if you talk a liberal Polish and the conservative Hungarian you might find the Polish liberal is more religious.

remember Cathlic church was an identity maker and a force keeping culture among Polish.

The opposite in Hungary (and in Czech)

Yah, it was occupied and controlled by Austrians after reconquering Buda from Turkish.

You see two large rebellion against that rule.

Nope

@Markomann That was after 1867

Nope

Franz Joseph refused to accept teh Crown.

And you see a push to Germanise Hungarians beforehand by many rulers.

Yep, exactly.

@Chawosaurian that is why there had been two rebellion. More autonomy.

Also add it here, when Hungarian kingdom had broke apart three part, one remained fairly independend 9Erdelyi Fejedelemseg)

Yep.

I know my history. Do you know what happened in 1526?

@Markomann So do you know what happened there?

@Markomann So again I am asking. Do you know what happened?

Mohacs.

It does.

Hungary essentially broke apart to three parts after that.

So while technically one part of West was under Hapsburg rule since then, Erdely Fejedelemseg had remained quasi-independent.

With no Hapsburg rule there.

Eurasian 😛

call me whatever, but do not claim you know my country history when you are not or the statistics.

@Markomann 1703-11?