Message from @KarasuKafka

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2019-12-05 09:51:52 UTC  

But there had been divergent events and cultural differences. One main one is religion. West Ukraine is dominantly Catholic.

2019-12-05 09:52:00 UTC  

I have nothing to loose but can i even start investing if I'm under 18?

2019-12-05 09:52:12 UTC  

East Ukraine (the more Russian supporters) are Orthodox.

2019-12-05 09:52:52 UTC  

So what do you think of the Russian separatists?

2019-12-05 09:52:59 UTC  

Poles lost their empire so quick

2019-12-05 09:53:19 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/652085086296080404/skeksis.jpg

2019-12-05 09:53:34 UTC  

Some would argue that it's like Chinese-Australians declaring part or Australia to be China and wanting to secede.

2019-12-05 09:53:47 UTC  

They can be Russian but can they really take part of Ukraine with them?

2019-12-05 09:53:53 UTC  

Can't they just move to Russia?

2019-12-05 09:53:54 UTC  

@Weaboo Kempeitai Heavy questions. The main problem is a break of International law (The Budapest treaty) and the geopolitical destabilisation of the area.

2019-12-05 09:54:09 UTC  

wat

2019-12-05 09:54:14 UTC  

I think International Law is a spook tbh

2019-12-05 09:54:17 UTC  

jews and judqism?

2019-12-05 09:54:29 UTC  

Is Ukraine's claim on Crimea stronger than Russias?

2019-12-05 09:54:42 UTC  

no

2019-12-05 09:54:43 UTC  

No

2019-12-05 09:54:44 UTC  

Both US and Russia promised a territorial sovereignty to Ukraine in exchange of them giving up their nukes.

2019-12-05 09:55:12 UTC  

US promised it wouldnt swallow ex eastern bloc into NATO

2019-12-05 09:55:46 UTC  

@Muad'Dib It is not even that the main question. How worthy was for Russian for that move and loose support in other close by countries? You see a rise of anti-Russian sentiments in many close by countries (Poland, Hungary, etc).

2019-12-05 09:56:03 UTC  

@Chawosaurian Sure. But the question here not even that.

2019-12-05 09:56:24 UTC  

It is a diplomatic credibility and how much an ally Russia can be in long term.

2019-12-05 09:56:32 UTC  

I think it's like what happened with the Anschluss, if people all speak the language and want to secede, much like Quebec, much like the Confederacy, much like Scotland, the people should have the right to determine their own destiny, imho

2019-12-05 09:56:35 UTC  

Some would argue that the Ukrainians exasperated the situation by not making Russian an official state language, and by essentially ostracising Russian speaking Ukrainians.

2019-12-05 09:57:00 UTC  

Crimea was an extremely important strategic area also

2019-12-05 09:57:04 UTC  

So if Russia would supported a new regime or rebellion siding by them (secretly) that is a different message than breaking their own word.

2019-12-05 09:57:16 UTC  

@Muad'Dib Absolutely.

2019-12-05 09:57:41 UTC  

But probably Russia did the age old American way of waging a war when internal politics is getting rough.

2019-12-05 09:57:41 UTC  

Why should Russia care about ex puppet states that joined the ZOGmerican Protectorate

2019-12-05 09:57:42 UTC  

NATO fosters anti-Russian sentiment on Russia's borders too

2019-12-05 09:57:47 UTC  

Baltic beefs are so complicated.

2019-12-05 09:58:38 UTC  

@Muad'Dib It is not NATO. Nope. In Hungary the recent government licks Russian politicans back side, population still embraces an anti-Russian sentiments.

2019-12-05 09:58:51 UTC  

Russia

2019-12-05 09:58:53 UTC  

based

2019-12-05 09:58:53 UTC  

It is a long historical conflict of the region.

2019-12-05 09:59:13 UTC  

Love russkie

2019-12-05 09:59:48 UTC  

I think the eastern bloc as a whole are still dealing with the aftershocks of bolshevism

2019-12-05 10:00:09 UTC  

Hungarians still angry about being Russian satellite

2019-12-05 10:00:20 UTC  

Wish I had a GF

2019-12-05 10:00:21 UTC  

Not even a GF, just a friend

2019-12-05 10:00:24 UTC  

And again just to say Ukraine's problem was about NATO/Russia is simplification. You seen a deep rooted cultural difference of West Ukraine and East (around the same line as Catholic/Orthodox)