the state was very much involved in the german economy, not really capitalism

wrong

If a state forbids you to sell your ''degenerate'' art then it isn't a capitalistic system

''some lines and squares on a canvas? can't sell em in this country''

states often are

most do

Friedman

I recommend this debate highly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3N2sNnGwa4

please go

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But yeah highly recommend that debate, or shorter videos on the sidebar if you don't have time

He's said many times that the system we have now is not actually capitalism

you'd be wrong, sorry

Dude I don't write it down

Capitalism isn't the same as it was in the 20's

The states influence rose over the years

1920

Yes, the decade of the 1920s

what is wrong?

Way more capitalistic than what we have now

closer to actual capitalism

corporatism

state involvement in things as welfare and healthcare

It's not fair capitalism if you have top compete with the state

libertarianism also has the social freedom, capitalism doesn't say much about homosexuality and such

Well shame for you then

Still very much recommend that debate I linked, a fair debate with two competent sides

doesn't have to be tonight

Simply socialists vs capitalists

dude lmao

watch it or don't

not always, can be conservative too

go find out

cause I don't remember, not that it's any big deal in a debate anyway

Okay dude watch it or don't I don't care

I'm not going to rewatch it to tell you what his side specifically is called

communists don't believe in free speech anyway

Their system is so good you don't even get to complain

If you're saying that a free market is not capitalism I don't know what to tell you

What economic books have you read that claim it isn't?

If you want to learn more about how a capitalist thinks about free market the second part does that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJWLt1TmAy4

Goes in depth on how government intervention (tariffs, subsidized companies etc) decrease the freedom of the market

You seem to think there are millions of forms of socialism but only one form of capitalism (the system we have right now)

Very wrong

I don't dispute that

When you have welfare, tariffs, subsidized industries and the likes you're not dealing with a fully capitalistic system

Free market is almost the exact same thing as capitalism

Or can you show me an example of a free market that does not resemble capitalism?

If you cannot own your own product without it being collectively owned by ''the people'' you do not have a free market

There's more than one form of capitalism

that's why laissez faire capitalism is a thing

If you have to compete with the state funded company it isn't a free and fair market

the market has become less free when you have to compete with a business that simply will not fail because the state supports it

it's not fair competition

the freer the market the more capitalistic it is

Those happen in every system because the governments grants them special treatment

In a truly capitalistic society they would only have to do 2 things to rise to the top: deliver the best product at the best price

Name me a system without monopolies

lmao

the monopoly there is the state

Having all the resources, making it very hard for newcomers to challenge you

The socialist state often make it extremely hard because of all sorts of rules you have to abide to

Right, and the socialist state fits that to a t

Because you forbid it to let people make their own decisions to run their own company, it's anti freedom

Probably because they are hindered in opening their own business

Have to deal with the unions, regulations and being taxed to high hell

Yet people from China fled to Hong Kong

Compared to what other country around it?

What's a better country near hong kong?

Indonesia? Malaysia? Japan with it's insane work hours?

Compared to your socialist utopia yes

I'd rather compare it to other countries in history

The one that has never been achieved by any socialist country

Or can you point to one?

Very poor compared to the west at that time

Yes

Or did the western people flee to Yugoslavia?

No but people do to Hong Kong, Singapore and the west in general

If it's a shining beacon people will go to it

It really does

Why else would they come here?

Because the chinese government promised no competition I imagine

I'll be back in a bit, like 15 min

Why take China as an example when Hong Kong or Singapore are much more capitalistic?

And if you get to say that china is capitalistic than I can open up a can of worms with your socialists utopias all day long

Where was the paradise for the millions who starved under backwards retarded socialist policies?

Was there any social mobility in the socialist countries?

Face it, capitalism won in the end, sadly a lot of countries are now falling into the same trap of thinking the state should provide ever more services

And if you say that wasn't real socialism well then

It's simply the result of having that much power in the hands of so few, you only need one malevolent moron to take power to bring your people to starvation

Never said it was exclusive to capitalism, just that to have capitalism you have to have a free market

capitalism was a thing before people called it capitalism, as with most things the name comes later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrUHVFkm9A

People tend to not like their lenders, jew were often bankers

yeah and a whole lot more

entire media basically

How come Japan turned into a richer country than China?

They were equally poor at around 1860

Same thing with Chile, how come they are the most wealthy latin country?

US supported Pinochet but not with subsidies