Message from @Timo)))

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2017-07-08 14:59:52 UTC  

I don't dispute that

2017-07-08 15:03:28 UTC  

If that were the case I don't think we would be seeing what's capitalism or not, even though the global economy functions under the same dynamic.

2017-07-08 15:05:32 UTC  

When you have welfare, tariffs, subsidized industries and the likes you're not dealing with a fully capitalistic system

2017-07-08 15:05:51 UTC  

Free market is almost the exact same thing as capitalism

2017-07-08 15:06:13 UTC  

Or can you show me an example of a free market that does not resemble capitalism?

2017-07-08 15:08:18 UTC  

Market socialists would disagree with you

2017-07-08 15:08:52 UTC  

But then again other socialists would disagree with MarkSocs considering you're still operating an economy at the wil of capital.

2017-07-08 15:08:56 UTC  

will*

2017-07-08 15:09:04 UTC  

Also

2017-07-08 15:09:20 UTC  

If you cannot own your own product without it being collectively owned by ''the people'' you do not have a free market

2017-07-08 15:09:20 UTC  

Yes, regulated capitalism is capitalism

2017-07-08 15:09:40 UTC  

There's more than one form of capitalism

2017-07-08 15:09:45 UTC  

It can only be "partial capitalism" if it defies one of the basic definitional traits of capitalism

2017-07-08 15:10:13 UTC  

There's more than one term to describe capitalist systems and how they pertain to the sociopolitical sphere, yes.

2017-07-08 15:10:19 UTC  

that's why laissez faire capitalism is a thing

2017-07-08 15:10:19 UTC  

Like corporatism and state capitalism

2017-07-08 15:10:46 UTC  

They're still at the end if the day capitalism, economically.

2017-07-08 15:10:47 UTC  

If you have to compete with the state funded company it isn't a free and fair market

2017-07-08 15:11:13 UTC  

the market has become less free when you have to compete with a business that simply will not fail because the state supports it

2017-07-08 15:11:17 UTC  

it's not fair competition

2017-07-08 15:11:43 UTC  

the freer the market the more capitalistic it is

2017-07-08 15:18:52 UTC  

If your definition was true, there wouldn't be monopolies or price gouging or shitty overall employment if there was a free market.

2017-07-08 15:19:09 UTC  

But those often happen in free markets.

2017-07-08 15:19:36 UTC  

Those happen in every system because the governments grants them special treatment

2017-07-08 15:19:50 UTC  

No it doesn't.

2017-07-08 15:19:55 UTC  

Look up standard oil.

2017-07-08 15:19:58 UTC  

In a truly capitalistic society they would only have to do 2 things to rise to the top: deliver the best product at the best price

2017-07-08 15:20:23 UTC  

Name me a system without monopolies

2017-07-08 15:20:24 UTC  

The very reason why monopolies don't exist is because every government has anti-monopoly laws of some sort

2017-07-08 15:20:34 UTC  

Uh

2017-07-08 15:20:36 UTC  

Socialism

2017-07-08 15:20:37 UTC  

lol

2017-07-08 15:20:39 UTC  

lmao

2017-07-08 15:20:43 UTC  

the monopoly there is the state

2017-07-08 15:20:57 UTC  

Define monopoly

2017-07-08 15:21:17 UTC  

Having all the resources, making it very hard for newcomers to challenge you

2017-07-08 15:21:40 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/333266396064514048/Screenshot_2017-07-08-08-21-33.png

2017-07-08 15:21:44 UTC  

The socialist state often make it extremely hard because of all sorts of rules you have to abide to

2017-07-08 15:22:04 UTC  

Right, and the socialist state fits that to a t

2017-07-08 15:22:16 UTC  

And this would be detestable in a working class government, how?

2017-07-08 15:22:24 UTC  

With worker's councils?