Message from @Timo)))
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I don't dispute that
If that were the case I don't think we would be seeing what's capitalism or not, even though the global economy functions under the same dynamic.
When you have welfare, tariffs, subsidized industries and the likes you're not dealing with a fully capitalistic system
Free market is almost the exact same thing as capitalism
Or can you show me an example of a free market that does not resemble capitalism?
Market socialists would disagree with you
But then again other socialists would disagree with MarkSocs considering you're still operating an economy at the wil of capital.
will*
Also
If you cannot own your own product without it being collectively owned by ''the people'' you do not have a free market
Yes, regulated capitalism is capitalism
There's more than one form of capitalism
It can only be "partial capitalism" if it defies one of the basic definitional traits of capitalism
There's more than one term to describe capitalist systems and how they pertain to the sociopolitical sphere, yes.
that's why laissez faire capitalism is a thing
Like corporatism and state capitalism
They're still at the end if the day capitalism, economically.
If you have to compete with the state funded company it isn't a free and fair market
the market has become less free when you have to compete with a business that simply will not fail because the state supports it
it's not fair competition
If your definition was true, there wouldn't be monopolies or price gouging or shitty overall employment if there was a free market.
But those often happen in free markets.
Those happen in every system because the governments grants them special treatment
No it doesn't.
Look up standard oil.
In a truly capitalistic society they would only have to do 2 things to rise to the top: deliver the best product at the best price
Name me a system without monopolies
The very reason why monopolies don't exist is because every government has anti-monopoly laws of some sort
Uh
Socialism
lol
lmao
the monopoly there is the state
Define monopoly
Having all the resources, making it very hard for newcomers to challenge you
The socialist state often make it extremely hard because of all sorts of rules you have to abide to
Right, and the socialist state fits that to a t
And this would be detestable in a working class government, how?
With worker's councils?