Message from @Timo)))

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2017-07-08 15:10:19 UTC  

Like corporatism and state capitalism

2017-07-08 15:10:46 UTC  

They're still at the end if the day capitalism, economically.

2017-07-08 15:10:47 UTC  

If you have to compete with the state funded company it isn't a free and fair market

2017-07-08 15:11:13 UTC  

the market has become less free when you have to compete with a business that simply will not fail because the state supports it

2017-07-08 15:11:17 UTC  

it's not fair competition

2017-07-08 15:11:43 UTC  

the freer the market the more capitalistic it is

2017-07-08 15:18:52 UTC  

If your definition was true, there wouldn't be monopolies or price gouging or shitty overall employment if there was a free market.

2017-07-08 15:19:09 UTC  

But those often happen in free markets.

2017-07-08 15:19:36 UTC  

Those happen in every system because the governments grants them special treatment

2017-07-08 15:19:50 UTC  

No it doesn't.

2017-07-08 15:19:55 UTC  

Look up standard oil.

2017-07-08 15:19:58 UTC  

In a truly capitalistic society they would only have to do 2 things to rise to the top: deliver the best product at the best price

2017-07-08 15:20:23 UTC  

Name me a system without monopolies

2017-07-08 15:20:24 UTC  

The very reason why monopolies don't exist is because every government has anti-monopoly laws of some sort

2017-07-08 15:20:34 UTC  

Uh

2017-07-08 15:20:36 UTC  

Socialism

2017-07-08 15:20:37 UTC  

lol

2017-07-08 15:20:39 UTC  

lmao

2017-07-08 15:20:43 UTC  

the monopoly there is the state

2017-07-08 15:20:57 UTC  

Define monopoly

2017-07-08 15:21:17 UTC  

Having all the resources, making it very hard for newcomers to challenge you

2017-07-08 15:21:40 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/333266396064514048/Screenshot_2017-07-08-08-21-33.png

2017-07-08 15:21:44 UTC  

The socialist state often make it extremely hard because of all sorts of rules you have to abide to

2017-07-08 15:22:04 UTC  

Right, and the socialist state fits that to a t

2017-07-08 15:22:16 UTC  

And this would be detestable in a working class government, how?

2017-07-08 15:22:24 UTC  

With worker's councils?

2017-07-08 15:22:55 UTC  

Because you forbid it to let people make their own decisions to run their own company, it's anti freedom

2017-07-08 15:23:10 UTC  

You talk a lot about being free, but a free market rarely sees a lot of freedom for those who are employed by the people who reap the nost benefits.

2017-07-08 15:23:28 UTC  

Not everyone will become a business owner.

2017-07-08 15:23:30 UTC  

That's fact.

2017-07-08 15:23:51 UTC  

Probably because they are hindered in opening their own business

2017-07-08 15:24:03 UTC  

It's even worse in Hong Kong, which was rated like the top highest in economic freedom.

2017-07-08 15:24:05 UTC  

Have to deal with the unions, regulations and being taxed to high hell

2017-07-08 15:24:20 UTC  

Yet people from China fled to Hong Kong

2017-07-08 15:24:54 UTC  

They have shitty tenants for their workers to live in. They have lights and water and that's about it, and they have no union representation, and it's often a dirty place.

2017-07-08 15:25:08 UTC  

You would not like to be a working class person from Hong Kong.

2017-07-08 15:25:38 UTC  

Compared to what other country around it?

2017-07-08 15:25:47 UTC  

What's a better country near hong kong?

2017-07-08 15:26:02 UTC  

Indonesia? Malaysia? Japan with it's insane work hours?

2017-07-08 15:27:32 UTC  

None because they're all shitholes and they can be better under socialism.

2017-07-08 15:27:47 UTC  

Compared to your socialist utopia yes