Message from @Timo)))

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:22:16 UTC

And this would be detestable in a working class government, how?

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:22:24 UTC

With worker's councils?

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:22:55 UTC

Because you forbid it to let people make their own decisions to run their own company, it's anti freedom

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:23:10 UTC

You talk a lot about being free, but a free market rarely sees a lot of freedom for those who are employed by the people who reap the nost benefits.

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:23:28 UTC

Not everyone will become a business owner.

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:23:30 UTC

That's fact.

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:23:51 UTC

Probably because they are hindered in opening their own business

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:24:03 UTC

It's even worse in Hong Kong, which was rated like the top highest in economic freedom.

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:24:05 UTC

Have to deal with the unions, regulations and being taxed to high hell

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:24:20 UTC

Yet people from China fled to Hong Kong

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:24:54 UTC

They have shitty tenants for their workers to live in. They have lights and water and that's about it, and they have no union representation, and it's often a dirty place.

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:25:08 UTC

You would not like to be a working class person from Hong Kong.

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:25:38 UTC

Compared to what other country around it?

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:25:47 UTC

What's a better country near hong kong?

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:26:02 UTC

Indonesia? Malaysia? Japan with it's insane work hours?

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:27:32 UTC

None because they're all shitholes and they can be better under socialism.

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:27:47 UTC

Compared to your socialist utopia yes

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:27:59 UTC

I'd rather compare it to other countries in history

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:28:19 UTC

What socialist utopia?

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:28:30 UTC

It's quite literally the course of history

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:28:31 UTC

The one that has never been achieved by any socialist country

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:28:40 UTC

Uh, wrong.

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:28:40 UTC

Or can you point to one?

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:28:43 UTC

Yugoslavia.

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:28:56 UTC

Very poor compared to the west at that time

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:29:01 UTC

Very poor?

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:29:08 UTC

Yes

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:29:16 UTC

It had great relations with the East and West

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:29:21 UTC

Or did the western people flee to Yugoslavia?

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:29:25 UTC

Booming economy for a time.

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:29:32 UTC

People didn't need to flee lol.

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:29:41 UTC

Until the racism came

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:29:48 UTC

No but people do to Hong Kong, Singapore and the west in general

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:29:59 UTC

If it's a shining beacon people will go to it

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:30:14 UTC

Okay? That can depend on several factors. It doesn't mean they're great.

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:30:20 UTC

It really does

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:30:27 UTC

Why else would they come here?

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:30:32 UTC

Your point?

Seedle

2017-07-08 15:30:34 UTC

Western corporations fled to China to basically have slave labor wages

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:30:55 UTC

Because the chinese government promised no competition I imagine

Timo)))

2017-07-08 15:31:04 UTC

I'll be back in a bit, like 15 min

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