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Raintola
2019-08-09 23:45:40 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

"Crime"? Maybe. "Violent crime"? Not likely.

As for "the wrong angle". Yeah, you're definitely coming at the wrong angle. It doesn't matter whether it's the angle that "you want". I can "want" until the sun dies, but that doesn't make it "right".

Raintola
2019-08-09 23:48:53 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Nah, that doesn't fly. You don't get to "tell people they're wrong". It literally doesn't mean anything without supporting evidence.

Raintola
2019-08-09 23:49:39 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

See, I can do the same thing. "You're wrong. There's evidence suggesting that harsh punishments do reduce crime. I'm not going to Google shit for you since you're supposed to educate yourself blah blah blah"

Raintola
2019-08-09 23:50:38 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

>Implying Google results aren't in and of themselves biased

Raintola
2019-08-09 23:53:01 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Oh look, no evidence. All it does is claim that "punishment doesn't reduce crime" because of high incarceration rates. The article is presuming that, because one person is harshly punished, it magically increases the intent of others to commit crime. The article literally contradicts itself by pointing out lower crime rates in combination with higher incarceration rates.

Raintola
2019-08-09 23:53:53 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Who said it was?

Raintola
2019-08-09 23:55:34 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Lots of links, zero evidence. What you seem to not understand is that the point of punishments has nothing at all to do with prevention. Literally no laws or punishments prevent crime, so you're operating under nothing but a giant strawman.

Raintola
2019-08-09 23:56:51 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@Muten Well aware, but it isn't necessarily about informing the zealot, but the audience who the zealot may be talking to.

Raintola
2019-08-09 23:59:11 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM Bad faith actors. They're well aware that laws and punishments do not prevent crime. For example, take old laws involving inter-racial cohabitation. No one cared about the law or the punishment.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:01:21 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM Or they disingenuously interpret the issue in a certain way. This is a perfect example. Based on Ninja's logic, one person being punished somehow has some kind of mystical influence on another person's intention to commit crime.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:03:07 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@Muten Which only further strengthens our point that they aren't able to provide any actual evidence. Just links to opinion pieces or strawman articles.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:04:53 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM Not agreeing is fine. Them agreeing isn't really required.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:07:03 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@Jake the Exile Hardly. No one says "Guns don't kill people because it's the bullet that causes injury." Punishment being a deterrent may have some effect, but based on Ninja's own sources, most of the people in prison already aren't in a normal mindset, so they likely don't fear the punishment to begin with.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:08:22 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@Jake the Exile Even then, we're not talking about whether they fear going to jail, we're talking about if the threat of punishment actually prevents the crime from happening. I can fear lots of things, but fear doesn't necessarily prevent me from doing them.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:11:16 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@Jake the Exile That would require the presumption that people ARE raised in such a mindset to begin with. I'm fairly certain most people don't think that a person's parents teach them that criminality is okay. Nevermind that would require psychoanalyzing every family unit in order to determine if they're teaching their kids "the right thing"

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:12:02 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick The UK is an outlier based on what, exactly?

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:12:41 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@Jake the Exile The same place "fuck the church" comes from in people raised in a religious home. They come to that conclusion on their own.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:13:33 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@Muten Staying away from police doesn't equate to committing crime though. Hell, I'd bet most white families teach their kids to stay away from the cops too..by not committing crime

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:14:31 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick No shit, which is the entire point. No one gives a fuck about punishment not preventing crime because it was never designed to in the first place.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:15:17 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

If punishment was intended to prevent, life sentences would be the norm for first time offenders. Can't re-offend if you never make it out of jail.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:16:07 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

What do you mean "and what"? Violating 7A doesn't make me statement any less correct.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:16:52 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Deterrence theory may by the core of the justice system, but we're not talking about the justice system as a whole, we're talking about a single facet.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:17:10 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Putting people in prison was never about stopping people from committing crimes.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:17:19 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

It was for restitution

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:17:36 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

You can go back and look at Hammurabi's code

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:17:40 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Or "an eye for an eye"

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:18:11 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck Maybe if you're a cyclops

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:20:09 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick You're literally illiterate. The point is that the entire history of punishment for crimes committed is that, when a person commits an act that society deems morally reprehensible, that person must effectively pay society back. That payback can come in the form of loss of life (death penalty), fines, loss of limb, or removal from society (imprisonment)

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:20:28 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Again

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:20:30 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Eye for an eye

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:20:35 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

The entire point

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:21:10 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Pre-enlightenment or not, that doesn't alter my point

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:21:40 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Again, so? Your problems with the society at the time doesn't negate the overall intention of punishment

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:22:23 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Also, pretty sure the Hebrews weren't sun worshippers. Hell, their calendar is based on lunar cycles.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:24:43 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick We have that already. A person is taken to trail individually, the case is analyzed, and they are given a sentence. Mandatory/minimum sentencing doesn't somehow negate this.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:25:28 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick They plea out by their own choice.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:26:03 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck A theory. Based on "plausible mentions" from groups around the same area where Hebrews originated.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:26:54 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick As opposed to getting a harsher sentence if they do stand trial. If they can't win a trial, that is usually because the evidence against them is so overwhelming.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:27:33 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck And? Jesus existing being a theory isn't a bad thing.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:28:50 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick The probation, but why would that choice be given to me unless the evidence against me was so overwhelming that a trial would simply be a formality?

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:29:44 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick How is it fucked? It's' doing exactly what you want. That person's case is analyzed on an individual basis and they're being given an option for a less harsh punishment.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:30:52 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck When did I say it was a bad thing? Most readers of the Bible already think that Hebrews came from Canaan.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:32:18 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick Go back and look at my first post. I specifically separated "violent crimes" from "crime". G fucking G

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:32:46 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck I never said you did. Literally no one here but you disputed Yahweh's origins.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:34:56 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck And again, where did I claim that you said it? Why bothering bringing up theories about the origins of Yahweh when no one was disputing it in the first place?

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:36:42 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck No, that's you reading too far into what I said. All I said was what you've linked. If you think I was implying such, that's on you.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:39:01 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick By your logic raping an unconscious person shouldn't be a problem because no violence was involved.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:40:36 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck Again, so what? What does this have to do with no one but you trying to dispute Yahweh's origins? As far was we know, "Yahweh" was the God of the Hebrews. The same name may have been used by other Canaanite tribes, but that has little else to do with the Hebrews' interpretations of said deity.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:41:20 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick We know it's actual rape, but it is explicitly non-violent. However, it is still very much a crime.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:41:56 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck I never said you thought it was a bad thing. I made a single statement and you took it as an accusation. Your issue.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:44:04 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

The person viewing the illegal material. They are a victim of their own choice (and stupidity).

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:44:37 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

We're also presuming that "viewing" is implying someone explicitly choosing to view that specific material.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:44:56 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

That most certainly can be the victim. They chose to view the material knowing it was illegal.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:45:13 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

They certainly can. Who is the victim in a suicide? The person who killed themselves.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:45:46 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Nah bruh

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:46:05 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Suicide is a crime in several countries

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:47:11 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick Retarded or not, still a crime. Nevermind that "victim" isn't explicitly used in reference to a crime. I can be a victim of an accident.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:48:34 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck Again, that's all on you bruh. I made a single statement and you took what I said and added your own implications to it. Saying something isn't a bad thing does, in no way, imply anything else other than what was explicitly stated. This is like when people get uppity about "It's okay to be white" signs. They apply meaning to it based on their own prejudices.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:49:07 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick There is a victim. The person who downloaded it.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:49:35 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck Again, so what? I'm not the one denying my projected implications.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:50:12 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick So I should be able to just go outside and detonate a bomb I've made. Cuz I made it.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:51:49 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick So any collateral effects of my detonation should therefore be fine too?

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:52:30 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@SideTracker Technically that's diving, not swimming.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:53:46 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick That assumes criminals want to be educated or weren't educated from the start.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:54:22 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@NinjaQuick This is the same logic as "Teach men not to rape". Pretty sure most men are taught not to rape, even those who grew up to be rapists.

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:54:47 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Not even

Raintola
2019-08-10 00:55:00 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Education means squat if it's simply ignored.

Raintola
2019-08-10 01:02:13 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM I mean, if you're going to live in a country where 16 year-olds are off limits, it might be a good idea to follow that limit.

Raintola
2019-10-06 23:38:31 UTC [Athens #uk_politics]  

"The aim of the Labour Party is to be in....what?" "Incompetent!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JKvNoZzOEw

Raintola
2019-12-12 16:51:02 UTC [Athens #the-writing-on-the-wall_memes]  

They also have to keep it in a bun that doesn't exceed a certain size.

Raintola
2019-12-12 16:52:53 UTC [Athens #the-writing-on-the-wall_memes]  

Because she isn't in the workplace to be nice on the eyes in most cases

Raintola
2019-12-12 16:53:40 UTC [Athens #the-writing-on-the-wall_memes]  

Nah, most of ours do paperwork

Raintola
2019-12-13 11:44:46 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Wait so Swinson lost?

Raintola
2019-12-13 11:45:13 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Ooooh gotcha.

Raintola
2019-12-14 14:31:50 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

So how are those riots in London coming?

Raintola
2019-12-14 17:52:39 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

Cenk advocating for bestiality.

Raintola
2019-12-14 18:16:31 UTC [Athens #the-temple-of-veethena-nike_general]  

I would be surprised if she knew what a noodle was.

Raintola
2019-12-14 20:06:32 UTC [Athens #us_politics]  

@FitnessByHeatherHeyer Low-IQ white niggers listening and believing when white lefties claim to be Jewish.

Raintola
2019-12-17 14:37:35 UTC [Athens #us_politics]  

Do you lift?

Raintola
2019-12-17 14:38:34 UTC [Athens #us_politics]  

I'm sure the meme would still be true if we looked at the ratio of crime committed by black and white females.

Raintola
2019-12-17 14:38:45 UTC [Athens #us_politics]  

Violent or otherwise.

Raintola
2019-12-17 14:39:07 UTC [Athens #us_politics]  

Right, gmvh

Raintola
2019-12-17 14:39:45 UTC [Athens #us_politics]  

No I'm aware, I live in Bama.

Raintola
2019-12-17 14:43:03 UTC [Athens #us_politics]  

"You got radicalized by the Alt-Right Youtube Pipeline" - The Guardian probably

Raintola
2019-12-17 14:44:11 UTC [Athens #us_politics]  

So you're a perpetually constipated diabetic now from all that bread

Raintola
2019-12-17 14:44:55 UTC [Athens #us_politics]  

That's what I said, socialists are perpetually constipated diabetics.

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