So retarded.

@Raintola Then what you need is a second layer of correction, something that will be effective in changing the people whose mindset is "fuck da po-leese." But you can't say that law enforcement shouldn't exist because it doesn't stop SOME crime. There needs to be a negative reinforcement against bad behavior so more people aren't raised in a criminally permissive mindset to begin with.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendments/amendment-viii

well it's also punitive justice for the wrong doer but you don't care about justice so why bother bringing that up

Holy fuck, NinjaQuick whines about the Justice System like SMG whines about his foreskin

@Jake the Exile that's more on the individual tho

you can't change gang culture with government intervention

Law enforcement presence is a greater deterrent of crime than prison.

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@Muten Well then you try church intervention.

The fear of getting caught.

@Jake the Exile That would require the presumption that people ARE raised in such a mindset to begin with. I'm fairly certain most people don't think that a person's parents teach them that criminality is okay. Nevermind that would require psychoanalyzing every family unit in order to determine if they're teaching their kids "the right thing"

Most people. Commit many crimes before being caught once.

There's tons of police in the UK, and yet terrorist attacks still occur a LOT iirc

Because that's an outlier.

suuuuuure it fucking is

France?

Cases where the individual dies in the act

Or plans on dying.

Are very different

@NinjaQuick The UK is an outlier based on what, exactly?

@Raintola Well you tell me then. Where does "fuck the police" come from?

lol

why waste money feeding druggies

Most crimes are opportunity.

just fine the shit out of them

@Jake the Exile https://www.thedailybeast.com/a-brief-history-of-the-phrase-fck-the-police

@Raintola well there's evidence to point to black mothers teaching their kids to stay away from police and the attitude around the inner cities of america to be very anti police

@Jake the Exile The same place "fuck the church" comes from in people raised in a religious home. They come to that conclusion on their own.

Which causes crime

The person decides the benefit of committing the crime outweigh the risk of being caught.

well

you know what would really deter crime?

military patrols

If a person plans on dying in the act, they are far less worried about being caught.

@Muten Staying away from police doesn't equate to committing crime though. Hell, I'd bet most white families teach their kids to stay away from the cops too..by not committing crime

suicide by cop is very uncommon

So what about the Knife Crime in London @NinjaQuick?

Explain

@NinjaQuick No shit, which is the entire point. No one gives a fuck about punishment not preventing crime because it was never designed to in the first place.

@Raintola the thing is that due to the massive amounts of police in inner cities it leads to alot of tension not to mention the anti white rhetoric and "white mans world" syndrome that also plagues these areas