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Economic downtrurn will happen in the next 20 years without a doubt. Just look at our unfunded liabilities and the fact that most americans are deep in debt. When america defaults and has to create super inflation to pay back debts the whole economy is gonna tank and we'll see an end to the petro dollar.
silver makes more sense then gold because of spot price per ounce. Plus, if we go to oregon there is a chance of us finding silver or gold on the property. https://www.jmbullion.com/silver/silver-rounds/1-oz-silver-rounds/ the nice thing about a currency is that it works as a medium of exchange if you need something but nobody wants your stuff.
I've been reading about gold mining in oregon and it looks like people still find surface level gold in riverbeds. http://raregoldnuggets.com/blog/?p=3648 http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2012/04/no_gold_rush_in_oregon_even_wi.html
buying copper should be done in bulk.
@skyon what about a crypto backed by real world metal reserves? could we make our own bitcoin like currenecy and use it as an in between for community trade?
not bitcoin though. Anybody remember when they used be under $100 a coin?
I see that a few of the members in this server are in programing or related fields, could one of you take a look at this article and see if it's possible to make our own crypto. https://www.fastcompany.com/3025700/how-to-create-your-own-cryptocurrency
here's the website for their kit. https://emergencywaterwell.com/product-category/diy-water-well-kits/
That is impossible in the modern day. Soy is used as a protien additive in animal feed and human food.
@Rin how would you explain the rise in gay and trans people other than an incease in soy in people's diets and ((them))?
Men have always been gay. You can see evidence in every culture. However, they were always a tiny portion of the population. Now we have an unprecidented increase in gays that corrolates with a diet higher in soy. >inb4 correlation doesn't equal causation. Just look at food lables and tell me how many of them contain either soy meal or soybean oil. Then add the fact that most livestock feed is supplimented with soybeans for protien.
I agree. However science has proven that women who eat foods high in plant estrogen have a higher risk of cancer due to hormone imbalances.
no, estrogen is a naturally occuring hormone. Some plants like soy make a lot whereas others like corn don't. My point is that soy consumption increases estrogen in both men and women. http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/ask/ask-the-expert-soy
Right, it affects women hormonally but not men for some reason.
It effects hormone levels in a meaningful way for women, so I don't eat it even though I'm a man.
"Plant estrogens do not eliminate all of estrogen's effects, but they do minimize them, apparently reducing breast cancer risk and menstrual symptoms." you just quoted it affecting women who consume it.
I think we're gonna have to agree to disaggree on this point.
yes, both are made from cholesterol. they both serve a purpose in regulating our body.
it has to do with how they consume it. They ferment it to remove/nulify the effects that soy enzymes and protien have on their diet. In the US we don't properly process the soy to remove the harmful parts. Most cooking oil contains soybean oil that is just squeezed out of the bean without processing it. https://www.johnleemd.com/about-soy-foods.html
do you eat seaweed? I only eat it in sushi, soybean oil is a daily occurance.
The oil is in eveything. That is my concern.
microwaving your battery will help charge it if you have a laptop.
I found one 10 mins from eugene http://www.landwatch.com/Lane-County-Oregon-Land-for-sale/pid/285365587
Our best bet is 5 or 6 guys who move out in april to clear land and start building houses.
well, now isn't the time to move. Growing season is over and winter will soon be upon us.
@Orchid I'd like to be close to a large city. We'll need supplies and jobs from a city in the begining.
@K_Wagner that place is way too expensive for us to afford without a (((loan))).
feeding people is expensive, so will probably want to go in early spring when sleeping in a tent doesn't suck. then we can grow our own food and sell excess produce to raise funds for further expansion.
Ideally, it'd be a hotel for a week till a log cabin is built.
@ram3n that's my point. 6 men should be able to build a log cabin in a week. Then we keep clearing land to plant crops and grow a pasture.
@K_Wagner if our ancestors could build a house that lasted the winter without modern tecnology we should be able to do it too.
mossy rock has an average winter low of 20F. That's 40F warmer than my home of wisconsin.
@K_Wagner log cabins are gonna be temporary while we clear land and plant crops. We probably wont have modern housing, but we could do old world manors.
The idea of log cabins is that they are cheap and an okay type of housing.
@K_Wagner check out the finnish log house in the other channel.
It depends on the cow, cow's age and feed. Personaly I perfer more animals because it minimizes the chance of catastophry. http://www.backwoodshome.com/bovine-basics-for-beginners/
P.S. did you know that there are dairy sheep breeds.
how about this place? http://www.landwatch.com/King-County-Washington-Land-for-sale/pid/25060914
it is close enough to seatle that we can get jobs in the city and far enough away that nig-nogs wont be able to find it.
Guys, I hate to say it but mossy rock isn't gonna work. Just look at the prices per acre. We could buy one acre on the island or 20 on the mainland.
washington http://www.landwatch.com/King-County-Washington-Land-for-sale/pid/25060914 oregon http://www.landwatch.com/Lane-County-Oregon-Land-for-sale/pid/285365587
Both of these places are large enough to support a few people and close enough to a large city for jobs and supplies.
Yeah, if everybody chipped in a few grand we could move in next week.
No idea, hoping someone else would figure that out.
Somebody with a good credit score could buy it with a mortgage and as we show up we bring money to pay it off. If I understand correctly there isn't a downside to paying it off early.
I like it. We make a "fake" kickstarter project to raise money for buying land.
plus, farm produce is a good way to make money.
@ram3n do you honestly think niggers are gonna give money to whitey so he can gro organic food?
I have no idea. all I know is that it was created by a finn.
could we have housing owned by the farm we "work" for?
once we own the land we can parcel it out by changing the deed with the county.
most of these points can be applied to goats as well.
yeah, I don't think cotton would be possible in the PNW
Wool if marketed correctly can be sold to people for crafts.
they also make a fattier milk. This is great for making cheeses.
@K_Wagner Wool has lanolin that makes it waterproof. the reason wool clothes get wet is because we remove it when we clean wool.
the really nice thing about sheep and goats is that it's easy to downsize is feeding them becomes a problem. You can kill a few and still have herd. the same can't be said for cows.
@Mitere the first few "houses" will be log cabins, so mud in between the logs will probably be our insulation.
These are temporary house for people to sleep in while they build better ones. The plan so far is that a few guys go out next april to start clearing land and grow food.
damnit I thought they'd be in the same line.
@Ghostler I agree. However, moving to the PNW in the winter isn't possible and summer is too late to get any food grown.
@K_Wagner it's 2 weeks to get everything planted then the occansional watering and weeding. plus if a few people go then they can work in two groups.
We finally answered the question "are traps gay".
Seriously though, we had a talk about our future goals as a group mainly with a focus on bonding activities over on the maine server. we also found out what a few members of the group wanted to get out of the project. It was basically 9 guys shitposting with the occasinal break to talk about the PNW.
a few of us wanna move out and build temporary log cabins. these will be built when we first move out. We're shooting for april of next year to let us build "houses" and try to get some form of food growing.
@ram3n it really depends on the place we go to. Root vegetables like potatos or carrots don't do well with waterlogged soil. As far as fruits I think we should focus on fruit trees that are true to seed. Those would include apricots, peaches, some plums and sour cherries. All of these trees are self fruitful and true to seed. Later we can focus on pomme fruits like pears and apples. We should also look into nut trees. Walnuts, hickory nuts, hazelnuts and chestnuts should all be possible.
@Orchid those things look horrible. It's a crappier version of a hostel. We won't be living like this for our community. A man needs privacy.
No, I'd be the dick head who'd blast porn at 3 in the morning to fuck with my podmates. I think (((they))) would love it though.
@Rin yeah, nothing gets me going more than 8 other guys jerking of while i'm doing that.
@woa because (((they))) will cut our power in an attempt to shoah us. We'll have to burn wood to stay warm.
@ lorenzo we can price out of section 8 rates. That stops niggers and spics. Keeping (((them))) out probably isn't possible, so we should try to stay under the radar until the US collapses.
@Rin what would you call habitual? Once a week, Once a month, everyday.
@Rin I'm gonna have to disagree on the weekly part. After 5 days of work a man should be able to unwind.
@ram3n we would have to have a distilery permit to make and sell alcohol.
@Rin some states allow making wine or beer for personal use.
@Saxon it depends on the sect. The ones who live near me act like jews, not hard working simple folk.
How are we gonna pay taxes and buy tools if we don't sell our goods. We don't need to be flashy, but we do need a source of income for expansion. If we're near a large city farmers markets can make us tons of money.
@spudman I see us more like the mennonites. They still use some modern tecnology and are more lax on religion.
@Orchid good luck getting a license to make and sell your whiskey.
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