#politics-free-for-all (Discord ID: 372513679964635138) in /r/SargonOfAkkad (Sparta), page 8

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Excited for Thomas Sowell to talk to Dave Rubin?

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I gotta get Sowell's books

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Super good

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pretty good

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stil haven't finished it

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not much time unfortunatley

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but will eventually

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how many times does this have to happen

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Sam Hyde strikes again

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Will no one take him down!!!!

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who is this hacker 4chan?

2017-11-06 21:57:44 UTC

woah what Thomas Sowell and Dave Rubin?

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its going to be happing soon

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he mentioned it in his last video withOwen Benjamin

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It's so sad, really, to see such a de- emphasis of education in black communities

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Thomas Sowell is one of the most underrated public intellectuals ever.

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The system has barely changed since then which makes things worse

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The system has barely changed since fucking Booker T Washington

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Well alright, hyperbole, but when you see things like this being written 107 years ago:

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"There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs โ€” partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs."

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one really has to wonder.

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@radeon If you mix a black person with an IQ of 70 with a White person with an IQ of 105 you are going to get a child that has an IQ lower than 105. That is pretty basic genetics

IF this was true, society would be a bunch of brain dead barbarians,

2017-11-06 22:03:32 UTC

regression to the mean

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>Even if the white parent has the dominant gene, the IQ will likely not be higher than 105 regardless. Are you impliying that the other parent's genes have no influence on the child's genetic makeup?

Dominant gene is a keyword

2017-11-06 22:04:39 UTC

>If you mix a pygmy with a Nordic, should we expect the child to be either 100% black or 100% white? No, the child would be somewhere in the middle
That is just stupid

Analizing just skin color, the result tend to be more to the white side.

2017-11-06 22:05:08 UTC

well, 10+20/2 would = 15, but I'mma go out on a limb here and say that genetics is a tad more complicated than basic math

2017-11-06 22:05:14 UTC

have yall read any of Sowells books?

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It's weird; I've known and respected him for many years simply by seeing his interviews on TV, but still haven't sat down to actually read a damn book of his

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I'm not sure what to read first, I'm thinking Basic Economics.

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>I can tell you that miscenegation is the sole reason the average IQ of an african-american is 85, compared to the 65-70 you'd expect if they were 100% Negroid
Explain that

if that's the case, race mixing is a good thing...

2017-11-06 22:06:36 UTC

i couldnt find the original study but here is one that explains it somewhat

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"Basic Eco" and "Black Rednecks" are on my to-read-first list

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and i think looking at it through the lense of race is counter productive

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Basic Economics is good

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I listened to part of black rednecks and I found it to be quite world-view altering.

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Gotta git ya levels of analysis right, boi.

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Race is tricky.

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and misapplied 99% of the time

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Because most """race realists""" don't understand genetics

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@radeon i agree

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Have you seen Jean-Francois Gariepy?

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Race realist who definitely understands genetics

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I will check them out

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TL;DR did a really good video on the heritability of IQ

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as it stands right now

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thanks for the link

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JF > Sargon

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He does require patience though

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He is too arrogant, tried to watch one of his videos and it was annoying

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I dont get this whole race and IQ thing

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the vet came here to see my dog and i had to help her

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People arent created equal

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Too arrogant?

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i left in the middle of the conversation

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If you say so

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@franti Look, some people need a reason to fell better and superior, so they come up with shitty reaons to feel superior.

If everyone had the exact same skin tone, people would come up with something else

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What would happen If these people were in charge. They become dodgy when I ask foe policy specifics

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These people being?

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Race realists

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Race realist =/= white nationalist

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You have to admit there's a heavy overlap

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@Fulcrum010 I've seen arrogance used to dismiss pretty much every intellectual there is, Sargon included

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Unfortunately there is a huge overlap because the two are conflated by the left

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@BrianBoru watching his vid he is making a couple of erroneous claims so far

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there are people who would be legitimately offended at you saying that

then again it's the snowflake SJW's so who cares

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Intellectuals are those who discuss ideas civilly on the public forum

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Please point out his erroneous claims, because he is always looking for insightful criticism

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oh no I agree with you

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sargon is an intellectual

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Like I tried to tell Charles Darwinist multiple times, I acknowledge the existence of differences between races, I just give a flying fuck about it.

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The first statement into it, he claims the fact that we have dif skin color proves race

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By definition...

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not really

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it is broken down further than just how the USA measures demographic info

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Now, a serious question

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do you guys think that guys like him, who just want to flame the server, should be banned?

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I don't think he's trolling

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no they should be able to speak

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Not unless they start ad hominem or spam

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They should be able to speak their mind, but without spamming.

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Or gore spam

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This is a private server ait the end of the day

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that's why i'm asking

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Imo at this point banning him would just be closed-minded

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because, i don't want to wake up enter here and see

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he ended up addressing it

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But If we started banning people for not having the same opinion we would be living in a glass house under a ravine

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the opinion doesn't matter

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if we disagree it's fine

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@BrianBoru it just seemed like he oversimplified it at the start

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just no spam

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He went in guns blazing I give you that

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Fair enough I suppose. I told you he requires patience

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i guess he tought anyone else would agree with him

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Who are we talking about

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up the talk a bit

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we had our first race realist

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I'd say keep it contained in one channel

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not a bad idea

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I'm a race realist ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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not on his level

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Whatever that means

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You are not an asshole about it

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Yeah, @BrianBoru are you like me that you acknowledge it but don't give a shit

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Kind of

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i think it needs to be addressed in Measures of Effectivness

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I care that people acknowledge reality though

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He had this sense of smugness about him

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The only race realists I have a problem with are the "ethno-state" types.

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he didn't even calles us SJW, so i guess it went well

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That would be white nationalists

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I also have major problems with them

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still, let's see tomorrow

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I acknowledge the reality, it's just that I don't think policy should reflect it because it is possible to rise above, for example, the average IQ of a race.

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and see if he bring some friends

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They're the same thing, imo

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Well you're wrong Dr

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I don't want to be a race realist, yet I see how different areas of the world progress so vastly differently, yet at the same time, I see that it could largely be because of environment.

I don't know. However it is, I just try to treat everyone chill

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don't be a dick

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that's the golden rule

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There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that races have genetic differences

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That is race realism

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if you believe it or not, it's irrelevant

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and i guess that's the problem here

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No value judgments need come from it necessarily

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Is vs Ought anyone?

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@Fulcrum010 How things are vs how things ought to be

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The issues with race realism seem to be policy implications etc

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oh, got it

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never heard it like this before

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Irrelevant to the truth of the observation of racial differences

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That's pretty much where the arguments about race realism come from.

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How is that the same thing as white nationalism? (Ought)

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Depends on what kind of white nationalist you're talking about

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Not really

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The whitish nationalist-ish kind

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There's the "keep white nations white via implying the law and kicking out illegal non-white" white nationalists and the "Ethno state" white nationalists.

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Neither of those necessarily follows race realism

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And I don't see the distinction really

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But race realism can lead to it

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It's a half step

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Slippery slope huh?

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not saying it's true for every race-realist though

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Well can we recognize that we are intelligent adults who won't automatically fall down that slope?

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So we can actually acknowledge reality

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Intelligent adults? Nowadays?

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Yes, you can

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So conflating race realism with ethnonationalism is unproductive

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It only fuels extremism on both sides

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And i will admit, I am guilty of conflating these at one point

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> They're the same thing, imo

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@BrianBoru i guess everyone here knows that race exists and that some difference between then exists.

What we are talking about is the crowd that go, "blacks are genetically inferior" and etc

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Then we are all race realists

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Race realism =/= racial supremacy

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the term race realist is used to describe a individual who tend to impose their bullshit on others, those individuals tend to be white supremacists

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Black people are more susceptible to sickle cell anemia.


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That use is a bullshit loading of the term

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Poisoning the well

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it's not bullshit

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is how is used

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And feminist means equality and communism means sharing

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like, it's obvious that differences exists

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Oh he got you on that one

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I think what Fulcrum is saying is that race realist is an abused term

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That is what I'm saying

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for real Vee is on point about this,

the alt left dont even think that races don't even exists and the alt right thinks that they exists and blacks are brain dead people

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Not exactly, but a decent simplification

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at the end of the day, yeah, we are all race realists, but.... the term is not used to describe people who knows that some difference exists

meanwhile, you are playing the semantic cherry picking game to prove your point

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I'm getting back to what the term actually means

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To conflate it with something else is asinine

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Race realism => race is real

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Not I will force my belief in racial supremacy on you

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Alt Left - races exist, we wuz KANGZ, down with white men.

Alt Right - races exist and white people are the best kind

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Alt left is divided on existence of race

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we are all the same and bla bla bla

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No consistency

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inconsistency has been the Left's major flaw

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I think it stems from guilt and insecurity

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Intersectionality will be their greatest success and subsequent failure

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consistently incosistent

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Social justice cannibalism I call it

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you will never be PC enough

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PC master race

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Praise the Mighty Computer Gods

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The true gods be praised

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GabeN watches over me and gives me strength....and 35% off counter strike

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"You're not a real [Insert Political Ideology]!"

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Not real communism

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the subreddit about anarchism have mods

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and they even ban people

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Guys anarchism works trust me I'm 16

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Anarcho-facism is the only way forward tbh

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Guys anarxhism works but not on our anarcho channel

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this is a christian discord server, no bad words like anarchism here, please.

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how dare you say heck on my christian minecraft server

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I would like to see an example of a good an-cap society

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If it is so good why is there no place where it is practiced by many people

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It's not good

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Ancap is AIDS

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But they say it is the best thing since sliced bread /s

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Quick post pictures of Emu to trigger australians

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Post things that trigger Australians

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Fucking boat people

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>Triggering Australians
That's not how that works

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the german dude left the server?

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As a Libertarian, I can confirm that "You're not a real Libertarian" is used a lot.

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Pfff you're not even a real Libertarian though

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anarcha feminism is the way to go

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