Both are tools

A gun is not a tool. It has one purpose.

That's the difference between gun owners and non owners

its purpose is decided by the person using it.

a device or implement, especially one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function

hmmmm

to think that the manufacturers intended purpose is in any way relevant is ridiculous

A hammer is as much a tool or weapon as a gun

Or even...A sickle

So in what way can you use a gun then?

how about recreational shooting since thats 99% of the ammunition expended in the US

Currently there is an epidemic of wild pigs in the central US

why do effectively nonlethal calibers like .22LR wildly outsell large bore calibers?

Because squirrels ruin our birdfeeders

most people own guns exclusively for recreation

So you're undermining your own point by making a different statement.

or hunting, or defense

Hunting and defense are both using the gun for killing.

Gheto safaris?

yes but thats like saying we should ban fire extinguishers to prevent fires.

No, it's not. Not even close.

Why is having a gun for home defense a bad thing then?

I never made that statement.

Having a gun or having an arsenal

your argument hinges on guns being used "for killing" and that somehow justifies banning them despiute the non sequitur

I never made that statement either.

the number of guns is literally irrelevant

if you're safe and responsibe with one gun you will continue being safe and responsible with a stockpile of them

It makes theft easier

lol how?

Need to commit only one burglary

do gunsafes not exist in your country? I can buy them at fucking costco.

You made the, apologise the rudeness, but. Retarded statement that a gun can be used as a tool. Which it cannot.
Comparing them to knives, which are tools. Is not the same comparison.
If you're comparing them to swords? Sure. Then we can compare it.

I never made any statement on whether guns should be banned or not.

if I use a shotgun with blanks to run a boat-to-boat line charge is it still a weapon?

Break ins occur far less frequently in areas where more people illegally own guns

Am I seeing an underlying "NAP of animals" thing in play here?

You just made that implication because you're trying to defend guns using retarded logic that you cannot see your own faulty arguements.

In the medieval era, was a sword a weapon exclusively?

whether or not guns are weapons - btw legally, anything used to assault someone is a weapon - isn't important

You could make the argument that a gun is tool for killing

Yes it was Jek. A knife wasn't. A sword was.

even so, what is your point?

Did people not use the blade to cut things in the field?

at which point does a bladed weapon stop being a weapon then?

Different countries have different laws on this.

what is the distinction?

12 cm

Length of blade, concealment, etc.

In mine

no you've already ignored the laws

im talking logically

im not interested in whatever obligatory number the bureaucrats have decided to set

You haven't lived in the American West, so I can understand why you wouldn't acknowledge that a gun can be a tool

It varies. There's no one answer.
But you can compare all the numbers and use the common denominator if you want.

It's about perception

lmao so we should just average up all the EU's draconian knife laws for the one true answer? what a laugh.

In America, to legal gun owners, a gun is at the same time a weapon, a tool, and a recreational implement.

heres a super easy fix: stop treating people like they don't have individual agency.

In Switzerland it's legal to own guns.
Guns are not considered tools.

I literally dont care what switzerland does

i think you've just invented argumentum ad europa

I mean we're statistically more civilised.

lmao sure my dude

That was uncalled for

i couldnt resist

RESIST

a cave-dwelling american troglodyte like myself cannot possibly comprehend the technological and societal bliss that is europe

and their Muslim no go zones

And rape gangs

Either way, Jek. No one is trying to tell you you shouldn't have guns.
But for the love of sense. Stop trying to defend "A gun is a tool"

Because that's literally retarded.

A gun is a tool

*sighs*

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A gun is a tool

like literally lets define what a weapon is

My fridge is fully stocked with deer meat that I hunted.

I used the gun as a tool to feed my family

a weapon is any implement used to assault a person or animal, can we agree to that definition?

a rubber mallet is absolutely a weapon if you start attacking people with it, you can't logically deny that

nothing is intrinsicly assaulting people

It can be used *as* a weapon. But it isn't inherently a weapon.

THANK YOU

now we've come to some clarity

As if that somehow proves your point, but go on.

nothing is a weapon by default, it can only be *used* as a weapon

Things made for killing are weapons by default.

I have a czech military surplus rifle easily capable of downing 20 men, but the most fearsome thing i've ever shot with it is a pumpkin

it is not a weapon

Is a shotgun that fires bean bags a weapon?

not in the strictest sense

You're trying to argue that because you don't use your sword to cut down people it was never made for cutting down people to begin with.

the point is that there is no logical distinction between weapon and non-weapon

There is.

What about an ornamental sword?

It's not made for usage at all

Most kitchen knives are made to cut meat but not necessarily cleave through a man.
A cleaver is made to cleave the bone in meat on a table but it's horrible to try to cleave down an actual person. For that you have *larger* and generally sharper *weapons* made.

so if I kill somebody with, say, a benchrest gun, its a rifle that is used exclusively for high-accuracy target shooting and can't even be weilded as its literally bolted to a table, is it not a weapon?

Also generally known as. Here it comes. Swords.