@Goblin_Slayer_Floki what about socdems?

Do they get the choppa too?

They are just Socialists in denial

Yeah

So do they get it too..?

Of course

dnc is probably on the brink of having their own corbyn

They had a Corbyn in hiding.

Bernie was like a Corbyn in disguise.

Corbyn had the advantage of a more receptive audience.

Americans aren't quite as accepting of socialism, moronic young 'uns aside

So very true. If it was Bernie vs Trump, to be honest the numbers would have leaned more towards Trump than they did. But no worries, Clinton took care to keep America from having an actual Socialist on the final Ticket.

The propping up of Bernie was entirely artificial, I think.

Just some elements of the DNC and MSM who were at odds with the establishment, but equally out of touch.

It's telling that the moment they started dropping him and calling him "centrist", his "rabid fan base" evaporated.

probably not bernie maxine waters maybe

if she can stay relevent as a far left nutcase I'm sure some "momentum" will turn up

Also

Has anyone noticed Bernie Sanders talks like a certain other Bernie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5u4vSxqbLs

You don't remember the emails?

Maxine is killing her own career, thankfully.

I hope so. stranger things have happened

Many who jumped on the "Child Camp" bandwagon, and didn't let up after the Executive Order, are starting to see their poll numbers fall, cause basically they want "Catch and Release" or "No Catch at all", and their voters are not for that.

Fucking hell this chat is a sperg fest

Spooge

could be worse could be a communist circlejerk

>generalizes pornography as degenerate behavior and use religious terms such as indulgence to justify why it's bad
>gets upset when people conclude that he's making an argument from morality yet pushing it as fact

If you're going to make arguments against porn, that ain't how you do it

kothrix made a really good argument on the loli issue technicaly he was addressing the furry equivilent but still a good vid

I personally think it's fucked up but making an argument based upon morality is just stupid when it comes to this kind of shit

Eh, if it is Fantasy it is Fantasy. The Real Child porn is bad.

Morally speaking loli shit is wrong

Abhorrent if you're willing to go that far

However, legally speaking it violates no laws

But to try and say fantasy, loli and child robots are the cornerstone to the "Degeneration of Society" while ignoring Feminism, Intersectionality, The Great Arab Migration, and many many other far more pressing issues....Is laughable. But also when your arguement is based around "Traditions" that last existed in America before Sufferage and During Jim Crow Law days, makes one question the 'Moral' arguement as well.

Anywho, I'm off. Hobo, hold the fort now.

Aight

Let the spergery continue

Suppose we do agree that loli should be outlawed. The next step is, who decides whether a drawing is illegal? Will a government agency verify each drawing to make sure it's legal? How does one confirm the age of a drawing?

And then, why stop there? What if a woman is having sexual contact without consent, in a drawing? Which busy body will determine if consent was given, or if it's rape?

What about classic art that depicts rape?

Or Historical and priceless Art that also depicts children or Child like beings? Does that have to be destroyed too?

IF YOU GET AN ERECTION IT'S ILLEGAL!

Because the drawing didn't give you consent for the boner.

And just because it was perfectly fine for thousands of years in some cases doesn't make it okay in current year.

This is why arguments from morality don't hold water in most contexts especially without any logical reasoning behind it

Essentially it boils down to "I feel it's bad therefore it shouldn't be allowed"

You can dislike it all you want.

I dislike scat. I don't anyone being the bodily waste police though.

Hell

Ah but you see that actually is illegal to produce

I've been defending lolis this whole time

I dislike them. Strongly

In most European Countries and The United States making scat porn is illegal

So not really a similar argument

How about drawings of scat.

And that type of shit actually happens

How about watersports?

In most states no

Not sure about Europe

It's funny that it's technically illegal in the US yet that stops...literally no one

How about whatever-vomit-porn-is-called?

Again, live humans vs drawings

It's perfectly fine to draw someone getting killed but it's not ok to kill someone

Fantasy vs Reality

Real fucking simple

I think we're in violent agreement on this

What's even more hilarious is that he made the statement that porn is an indulgence, while wasting time posting on discord

Yeah, but the point I'm making is, what defines the line, once we hypothetically agree to ban imaginary degeneracy.

The hypocrisy is alarming

@DanielKO When it is targeted towards a specific person without their consent

That's essentially how the division works

How can you tell if a drawing gave consent?

Not my area of expertise but if it's like most forms of law it's one hell of a grey area at times

@DanielKO drawing a living person

That goes into defamation

Which you can make a case around

If the person doesn't exist you legally can't do shit

Well, if I draw a completely fictitious character, being raped by another completely fictitious character.

Then you did nothing wrong in the eyes of the law

Yes, that's my point. Once you're in fantasy land, fantasy land doesn't work like the real world.

I never said anything to the contrary

Even that's a gray area.

I specifically said as long as the person doesn't exist legally it's fine

You can base a drawing on a real person and not have it _really_ be them

So even if we all unanimously say, "loli hentai is disgusting, we should ban it"... we can't enforce it. Same for imaginary rape, or imaginary anything.

Eg: literally any porn of the MCU characters, who are all played by real people

@LordCaledus they can file a defamation suit if they consider it to be incredibly offensive but even then the case wouldn't do well

And then you have the...what is it again?

The trope where attempting to quash something makes it hugely popular instead

For example what blizzard did to Overwatch porn

How they made that into a massive fiasco

Streisand Effect

^

Ye

That thing

Anyways it seems we have reached consensus here

No need to beat a dead horse

Anyone have another topic?