Message from @A Random Crusader

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2018-07-03 04:21:01 UTC  

@DanielKO When it is targeted towards a specific person without their consent

2018-07-03 04:21:13 UTC  

That's essentially how the division works

2018-07-03 04:21:37 UTC  

How can you tell if a drawing gave consent?

2018-07-03 04:21:40 UTC  

Not my area of expertise but if it's like most forms of law it's one hell of a grey area at times

2018-07-03 04:21:50 UTC  

@DanielKO drawing a living person

2018-07-03 04:21:57 UTC  

That goes into defamation

2018-07-03 04:22:06 UTC  

Which you can make a case around

2018-07-03 04:22:21 UTC  

If the person doesn't exist you legally can't do shit

2018-07-03 04:22:27 UTC  

Well, if I draw a completely fictitious character, being raped by another completely fictitious character.

2018-07-03 04:22:47 UTC  

Then you did nothing wrong in the eyes of the law

2018-07-03 04:22:56 UTC  

Yes, that's my point. Once you're in fantasy land, fantasy land doesn't work like the real world.

2018-07-03 04:23:08 UTC  

I never said anything to the contrary

2018-07-03 04:23:08 UTC  

Even that's a gray area.

2018-07-03 04:23:23 UTC  

I specifically said as long as the person doesn't exist legally it's fine

2018-07-03 04:23:24 UTC  

You can base a drawing on a real person and not have it _really_ be them

2018-07-03 04:23:31 UTC  

So even if we all unanimously say, "loli hentai is disgusting, we should ban it"... we can't enforce it. Same for imaginary rape, or imaginary anything.

2018-07-03 04:23:48 UTC  

Eg: literally any porn of the MCU characters, who are all played by real people

2018-07-03 04:24:26 UTC  

@LordCaledus they can file a defamation suit if they consider it to be incredibly offensive but even then the case wouldn't do well

2018-07-03 04:24:42 UTC  

And then you have the...what is it again?

2018-07-03 04:24:55 UTC  

The trope where attempting to quash something makes it hugely popular instead

2018-07-03 04:25:09 UTC  

For example what blizzard did to Overwatch porn

2018-07-03 04:25:16 UTC  

How they made that into a massive fiasco

2018-07-03 04:25:18 UTC  

Streisand Effect

2018-07-03 04:25:25 UTC  

^

2018-07-03 04:25:27 UTC  

Ye

2018-07-03 04:25:27 UTC  

That thing

2018-07-03 04:26:21 UTC  

Anyways it seems we have reached consensus here

2018-07-03 04:26:26 UTC  

No need to beat a dead horse

2018-07-03 04:26:33 UTC  

Anyone have another topic?

2018-07-03 04:26:55 UTC  

Steven Universe

2018-07-03 04:27:06 UTC  

The only good SJW show ever, or actually pretty terrible?

2018-07-03 04:27:13 UTC  

My point was, even if we give up on the "it's imaginary, so not real" non-starter, even if were to accept that imaginary people have the rights of real people, it's no practical, because our laws don't work in fantasy land.

2018-07-03 04:27:55 UTC  

An artist can always add a last page with the female character disclaiming "that looked like rape, but I consented."

2018-07-03 04:28:22 UTC  

"I was drawn like an underage girl, but I asked the artist to do it that way, I'm actually 18."

2018-07-03 04:29:25 UTC  

@LordCaledus Steven Universe is objectively garbage

2018-07-03 04:29:42 UTC  

E;r did a good breakdown on it but he missed a few points

2018-07-03 04:30:06 UTC  

I've never seen it, but honestly what I've seen _of_ it actually makes me interested.

2018-07-03 04:30:22 UTC  

It strikes me as a show written by a super talented writer hobbled by her own politics.

2018-07-03 04:30:47 UTC  

She's not talented

2018-07-03 04:30:52 UTC  

Like holy fuck no