how about donating to a hitman account instead and kill these people

lol

I'd rather the police took care of it, they've done a good job so far, though obviously there's still more to do

you ... _just_ used the words "thrashed by one of these gangs repeatedly"

that doesn't exactly, you know, fit with the words "they've done a good job so far"

well, the police can't stand guard around every shop to wait for mob racketeers

I don't know what the word "repeatedly" means when you use it

they've arrested several hundred gang members, and stopped similar incidents before

but I presume it means more than twice

yes, but not in the span of a few days

at which point, if it was my bakery, I'd absolutely kill them

his dream is to be a baker, and he's been given the chance to start up again. If he's smart, he starts it in a nicer neighborhood

that really has no bearing on the conversation though, I'm saying instead of these people donating to the baker, they should donate to a hitman/squad so that these people are killed

presumably the baker has insurance, you see, because he's required to

if he has any employees

insurance costs are through the roof when that stuff happens more than once, I'm guessing

I'm obviously not serious though in reality it'd be almost impossible to guarantee that it worked

good luck finding a hitman in Denmark, though. They'll probably just send some kid to murder him for trying something like that anyway

gangs don't care if they lose a few thugs

he could get in with the biker gangs, but they've said they don't want to fight the immigrant gangs afaik

only thing to do is trust the police, and then use this second chance to start up somewhere else.

eventually the bikers will, if you have bandidos/HA or some other hardcore bikers there

they've feuded for years, but stopped recently, because of the drain of their resources, and inability to compete

now the immigrant gangs are fighting amongst themselves

afaik

and racketeering in their areas of influence

oh geez

fucking Bandidos

Used to have so many biker gangs fighting over this corner of my country not too long ago

I've had friends go to jail for fucking up drug smuggling runs for Hells Angels

Bandidos, Finks, Hell's Angels, Black Uhlans etc

they've lost most of their influence these days, though

Comancheros..

There was one other one

where are you from @Reaps?

US based

trying to remember wtf there name was

Oz

oh, right

the fucking Mongols

okay, I guess the biggest gangs are big enough to be multi-national

Finks actually merged with the Hell's Angels in order to combat them

Got so bad a conservative(ish) government got elected to crack down on it all

Arguably went overboard, although it certainly appears to have worked

And after that they got voted out again

they probably kind of have to be in order to get drugs smuggled in, since I doubt they produce them here

Well, the irony with biker gangs is their lack of subtlety

Most crime orgs try to actually be inconspicuous

To an extent, biker gangs are too

But it reached a point here where they were just way too brazen

yeah, at least the ones I've seen around

here, they usually just have these places called "rockerborge", which means biker-fortress (or rocker fortress, rocker being the danish term for a criminal biker)

that's not really irony, is it

which is a building that everyone knows is owned by criminals

as a biker your are camouflaged against the herd, like zebras

Whoops, Finks merged with Mongols to combat the Comancheros

the cops can't arrest you all, there's always someone there to pick up the ball

But it was a Finks member patching over into the Hell's Angels that was the spark for most of the fireball that followed

glad I don't have to navigate their politics, or world in general

fucked up people

so in order to avoid an everlasting cops-and-robbers, society accepts a certain level of crime as long as the bikers keep it contained

they're not fucked up at all

lol

it's much easier to get along with a biker gang than the government

yeah nah, last thing you should want to do is attract attention, which these guys did. Regardless of this 'herd' approach you're talking about, the cops will just zero in on the higher-ups, in which case even the higher-ups want their underlings to settle the fuck down

yeah, until you owe them money

then you can kiss that ease goodbye

that's not true, that's just a myth

Hence why so many sergeant-at-arms members are often the ones beating up members of their own gang when they're bringing too much heat on everyone

I've had friends in protection programs because of these fucks

yes, I know they beat up people, what I'm saying is that that's one of the things we accept as a society

generally the people who owe them money are degenerate fucks anyway

dude, they were shooting each other in fucking airports.

[8:03 PM] folk: so in order to avoid an everlasting cops-and-robbers, society accepts a certain level of crime as long as the bikers keep it contained

You'll have to forgive me for not accepting criminals

shooting eachother at airports is not "contained"

no shit

10/10

yes so why did you say that :P

kinda the point

I never disputed your point

then what the fuck are you arguing with me about?

it doesn't matter if you accept them or not mal, society does, or they'd all be locked up

I'm not

current society might not be capable of preventing their existence, but that doesn't mean we can't strive for the creation of a society that doesn't have to suffer their existence.

Or are you disputing something that Mal said?

yes

society is entirely capable of preventing their existence

Part of the problem here is the tension between all of the gangs had them scooping up new members by the dozen

but if we do, something worse takes their place

and the new people being all "hey I'm in a biker gang now I'm super-tough guy I can do what I want"

a devil we _don't_ know

and _can't_ control at all - never

And it just spilled out *every*where

speculation

err, okay, it's not speculation, but fine

well, if it isn't speculation, I'd like to see some evidence of that fact.

I think it's possible to create alternatives to the "services" these people provide, without the consequences that their existence brings with it.

they mostly deal in drugs, drugs aren't as dangerous as ignorant politicians would have us believe

this is a self-evident concept, that once you remove a controlling system with power, several new smaller, unknown elements immediately start rising up to replace it

take away their means of generating revenue