Message from @folk
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glad I don't have to navigate their politics, or world in general
fucked up people
so in order to avoid an everlasting cops-and-robbers, society accepts a certain level of crime as long as the bikers keep it contained
they're not fucked up at all
lol
it's much easier to get along with a biker gang than the government
yeah nah, last thing you should want to do is attract attention, which these guys did. Regardless of this 'herd' approach you're talking about, the cops will just zero in on the higher-ups, in which case even the higher-ups want their underlings to settle the fuck down
yeah, until you owe them money
then you can kiss that ease goodbye
that's not true, that's just a myth
Hence why so many sergeant-at-arms members are often the ones beating up members of their own gang when they're bringing too much heat on everyone
I've had friends in protection programs because of these fucks
yes, I know they beat up people, what I'm saying is that that's one of the things we accept as a society
generally the people who owe them money are degenerate fucks anyway
dude, they were shooting each other in fucking airports.
[8:03 PM] folk: so in order to avoid an everlasting cops-and-robbers, society accepts a certain level of crime as long as the bikers keep it contained
You'll have to forgive me for not accepting criminals
shooting eachother at airports is not "contained"
no shit
10/10
kinda the point
I never disputed your point
then what the fuck are you arguing with me about?
it doesn't matter if you accept them or not mal, society does, or they'd all be locked up
I'm not
current society might not be capable of preventing their existence, but that doesn't mean we can't strive for the creation of a society that doesn't have to suffer their existence.
Or are you disputing something that Mal said?
yes
society is entirely capable of preventing their existence
Part of the problem here is the tension between all of the gangs had them scooping up new members by the dozen
but if we do, something worse takes their place
and the new people being all "hey I'm in a biker gang now I'm super-tough guy I can do what I want"
a devil we _don't_ know
and _can't_ control at all - never
And it just spilled out *every*where
speculation
err, okay, it's not speculation, but fine
well, if it isn't speculation, I'd like to see some evidence of that fact.
I think it's possible to create alternatives to the "services" these people provide, without the consequences that their existence brings with it.
they mostly deal in drugs, drugs aren't as dangerous as ignorant politicians would have us believe