Message from @Reaps
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yes, I know they beat up people, what I'm saying is that that's one of the things we accept as a society
generally the people who owe them money are degenerate fucks anyway
dude, they were shooting each other in fucking airports.
[8:03 PM] folk: so in order to avoid an everlasting cops-and-robbers, society accepts a certain level of crime as long as the bikers keep it contained
You'll have to forgive me for not accepting criminals
shooting eachother at airports is not "contained"
no shit
10/10
yes so why did you say that :P
kinda the point
I never disputed your point
then what the fuck are you arguing with me about?
it doesn't matter if you accept them or not mal, society does, or they'd all be locked up
I'm not
current society might not be capable of preventing their existence, but that doesn't mean we can't strive for the creation of a society that doesn't have to suffer their existence.
Or are you disputing something that Mal said?
yes
society is entirely capable of preventing their existence
Part of the problem here is the tension between all of the gangs had them scooping up new members by the dozen
but if we do, something worse takes their place
a devil we _don't_ know
and _can't_ control at all - never
And it just spilled out *every*where
speculation
err, okay, it's not speculation, but fine
well, if it isn't speculation, I'd like to see some evidence of that fact.
I think it's possible to create alternatives to the "services" these people provide, without the consequences that their existence brings with it.
they mostly deal in drugs, drugs aren't as dangerous as ignorant politicians would have us believe
this is a self-evident concept, that once you remove a controlling system with power, several new smaller, unknown elements immediately start rising up to replace it
take away their means of generating revenue
I don't have to prove anything
remove their basis of existence
the cops know who the bikers are, they know their uniform, they know where they live, they talk to them weekly, they agree to keep things on the "down low", and once in a blue moon they get out of containment
or do something we can't accept
and then the cops smack down
this is how society wants it, with good reason
the alternative is absolute chaos
if you take control of the elements that these people use to continue existing, how would anything be capable of rising to take over, when there is no vacuum
nonsense
oh I agree that drugs should be legal