Fucking enough

where's the debate at?

the sassy furry with attitude is here

better watch out BUSTER

@chaoticoverview why? are your political positions controversial?

Are you a fan of Sargon?

I'm confronting my mother in law about her constant buying of Halal meat.

if she knew you were a furry she'd buy you haram just to spite you

There was an invite on pol for alt-right fags.

yeah I saw the /pol/ thread

@chaoticoverview lol

I like listening to Sargon occasionally. Calling myself a fan would be stretching it

I heard people arguing about emotions

No, she's just an apologist of the greatest order.

I've only had a confrontation with her once over Islam. Typical apologist stuff was said.

Islam is poison

Such as "You're a racist." "Religion of peace." "Oppressed minority"

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Islam needs to be reformed. Every religion has been violent at some point in history. Usually when that civilization becomes more educated and wealthy they become less vioent and radical and more accepting of other beliefs.

We're in the mids of pretty damming culture war tbh

*violent

I think it helps to know a bit more about the different sects

up arrow key allows you to edit posts

thanks

its much easier for a normalfag to rail against salafi islam than "islam" in general

The absolute mad man

and it makes more sense too since some branches are more radical than others

https://twitter.com/JonathanPieNews/status/978565050330992640

belief in an organized religion is stupid enough but a dark ages death and rape cult?

fukkin hell man its [the current year]

europe is doomed

religion isnt going anywhere

you have literally the worst takes

how is organized religion any different than government?

>religion isnt going anywhere

stupid people will be with us for a long time

does the belief in god truly make you stupid? perhaps it's a coping mechanism for humans in troubling times?

I thought the sargon discord would at least be familiar with jordan peterson

organized religion scares you into behaving with threats of hell and government scares you into behaving with threats of jail

There are better Gods to have faith in that fucking Allah.

you think people behaving is a bad thing?

i dont recall saying that

i have watched JBP's maps of meaning, personalities and its transformations and his biblical series

you should look up jonathan haidt

saw his ted talk

unimpressed

the righteous mind is a good book

Is this debate in a voice channel or just chat?

well yo ushould be impressed

no one on VC

or dig deeper into his stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONUM4akzLGE

I don't think there is a debate

your fedora take on religion is juvenile

its a conversation

agreed. You seem like another pompous atheist who believes he's better for his beliefs

sorry this is probably a better haidt video for the discussion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ192d4c4S0

your belief that my comments here are the totality of my ideas is facile

I'm down for a conversation, what's the premise?

Religion.

organised religion

well to even say those things reflects a flawed worldview

what type of religion would you rather have?

your opinion is noted

each person following their own?

Oh lame, not a very fun topic

The little profile picture in the tweet is from Mogg

i have no preference... faith is a gift i have yet to recieve

He is a troll

sperg*

so it's better for society to have remain unorganized by religious leaders. Imagine how much that would have stifled human progress.

https://twitter.com/NimbleNavigati1/status/978567004834729984

yes because the christian dark ages was so progressive

the church was the center of medieval intellectual life

i dont care if people believe in supernatural stuff... and i believe the precepts of judeo-christianity as the base for western civilisation was and continues to be the best ethos in which to operate.... and islam is evil

The idea that Christianity caused or significantly contributed to the fall of the Western Empire has long since been rejected by modern historians.

The cause of this "Dark Age" was the collapse of the Western Roman Empire and the waves of invasions and raiding that followed it.

so where does shitting on "orgnaized religion" come from if you acknowledge all of that?

I'm guessing you're a teenager or a juvenile cynical adult

chaotic I've actually met quite a few old hippies who have that view

churches have purpetrated some of the most vile evils in history and the Bible itself as a creation of the council of nicea to placate pagans and jews was a terrible hoax

it was pretty radical in their time so they still think its mind blowing to the people they tell

there is no such thing as good or evil only human survival.

thus spake chaoticoverview

thus spake shadow the hedgehog

define evil?

oh god

define good?

i'm out

lol

7am time to go to bed

define heterosexual?

Define waste of time

haha

^

define correctly sized anus

lol

Alright so suppose you have the answers to society all figured out. how do you make everyone else go along with it?

hi??

no one does. If they did they'd be doing it

hi

you expel anyone who doesn't agree 100% with you and try to ruin their lives

duh

activism 101

Violence generally right?

oppression stifles productivity though and leads to revolt

hi

wrong

can i ask sth

if that was true we would still be practicing slavery

Can;t revolt if you're dead

hi

hiiiiiiiiii

can't kill everyone

hi birdfaggot make your point

Can't control everyone either

That's why freedom of choice is the most important factor in a society

aka WHAT IF THE CHILD CONSENTS

so choice ultimately

or revolt insues

within reason

eventually yes

you guys are trying to distill complex structures and processes into a single principle

Depends, segregate, let people choose what nightmare to live under

it really betrays an autistic need for order and clean answers

more choice the better

okay. freedom of choice is one part of the complex structure of a highly functioning society

I'm trying to avoid a one size fits all actually. I'm not happy with just one society

if you want a fundamental structure from which to base an ideology on autistically, it's humans as a social animal

do you really want me to go into every detail of such a complex system?

no I don't

there is no one society?

any theory that doesnt start from there or acknowledge it is inadequate

libertarianism in particular is bad at coping with the fact

If anything is certain to me, It's that their should not be just one society, or one authority on morality and social structure. let people choose facism, let others choose anarchy, yada yada.

Not that it will expel violence, it would just allow for choice

Violence wont ever be expelled

Segregation of such societies of course

fascism is not compatible with a free society just as anarchy is not compatible with an authoriative society

Yes that's why we cannot have one society

it would also lead to constant warfare

It would

we don't!

But one society, or structure would lead to warfare regardless

through oopression

there is no one society

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I know, but that's the goal for many

they want to fix the world

their way

then let them fix it. If it brings peace and prosperity across the globe then why fight it?

Because it wont

It's flawed to think you can change everyones minds

some people want fascism, some want liberty

some want islam

very few actually want fascism

are you of the belief you can convince them of that?

educating children is the key to changing society for the better

I don;t need to convince anyone of anthing

You'll just indoctrinate?

I just need the ignorant to send their kids to school. If it's free most will do so. Essentially yes. For the betterment of society.

Ah. Well you'll get what you're after, if you control the educating that's

however. Indoctrination isn't quite right. I would want to teach them critical thinking skills

I'm going to teach my boy critical thinking too.

That's the plan

I understand. rationally if you're right, they would believe what's educating, and you would not fear the critical, as you believe you hold the truth.

good on you Valty

I hate the idea of indoctrinating children, regardless what it is.

Let them decide for themselves.

Exactly. and yes some will slip through the cracks and take mein kampf seriously but most won't

In theory

in theory yes

Schools are known for indoctrination too though, so I'm prepared to balance out any bullshit he's taught.

Well, if some universal truth does exist for a better society, the children and the right education would be the path to finding out

the modern education system doesn't teach any real valuable skills other than reading and writing

that's my belief

Some math

I was going to type math but got lazy lol

getting tired but enjoying convo

But it's also possible the only truth from teaching rationale well to the youth, is that much of a "better society" depends on the goals you have for life, and life goals are irrational, by that all will fade to nothing. so we can take that and assume lifes meaning and therefore purpose will differ, and so opinions on a better society will very so greatly between collectivism, individualism, materialism, spiritualism. we'll even with well rational children (not indoctrinated) will cause conflict

and warfare will continue

It's my belief such differences will not easily go away, and so if "better society" is one without warfare. your best bet is indoctrination and total control

at least if it's not spiritual

Those differences in beliefs are fine and you can vote democratically for those values but in a system with many checks and balances it's going to be difficult to have it be dominated by one general ideology and will more likely become a complex system that incorporates many different ideas and over time the one's that work will stay and the one's that don't will be removed.

Define work. less violent? more productive? closer to god?

https://twitter.com/Veeh_Ro/status/978582494739132416

it depends. For example we know that the separation of religion and state is necessary because without that freedom of religion couldn't exist for the minor religions. We know that the right to bear arms is necessary to protect the right to freedom of speech. We know freedom of speech is valuable because it keeps society from suppressing ideas that could potentially better humanity, etc.

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true, they all share a common relationship, expression, or the will to express. or better the right to conflict

one way or the other, we want the right to rebel, to object

It's so of my belief this is the problem, many want to avoid creating conflict, or believe a better society is a peaceful one or one devoid of conflict/violence

now violence always leads people to lend their mind to the worst of thoughts

but think sport as an example

the Olympics are perhaps humanities best global achievement in my mind, something so silly as sports

but nonetheless it symbolizes finding ways to fight out differences and find peace through violence

Or to assert dominance by saying we produce better people than you and advertize people to come to your better country

Look at this guy he runs fast, if you were in our country this guy would be winning for you

Right, also is a good way to settle an argument. not all arguments but it does help some

hi!

I guess where I like to go with this thinking is that violence is so overlooked on the importance it leads in a healthy society, to test your society against another. war is after all quite productive in many ways. but if society could find ways to compete without its most uneducated form, being that of destroying the other proves I'm right argument. we might actually start to see the path to universal truth is ironically mixed in with what we perceive as the worst argument you can make, that of "shutup or ill shut you up"

so western culture > third world

fucking fascist

debating in itself can be a form of warfare. why would anyone want to rid a society of such things?

^

want to bring importance to this

if a server wants to survive gotta recognize debating is a form of warfare

Society as a hole mate.

conflict is the path of progress, I don't want to rid the world of my enemies, no, you'll never rid yourself of enemies, nobody is ultimately alike, and no one goal will satisfy. so a society that has not embraced this cannot survive.

Better to segregate and give people the option to move to their desired hell imo

i dunno m8

i got 5 bans in 2 hours

im just an anarchist

i just wanna deffend my family and friends from everyone els

what's up fascistanis contrapoints btfo sargon

kewl story bro

nice avatar

there's more than 2 genders debate me

Depends, do I have to abide by how many genders one person believes to another? or is it scientific? even so, can we agree to disagree?

or should we just fight it out and whoever survives wins?

gender in itself isn't entirely scientific

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no you don't have to abide by what someone wants

its a word @deng

it's just rude

a fnord

okay, I'll be rude then, as it makes it simpler on my small brain

lurk lurk lurk

and u gonna get me

I think you're rude @deng

names are complicated enough

deal with it

pol people dont lurk anymore

whatever fascistani

cause trolls make them think they get it

internet culture is deep

It it the intention that makes one rude? or the lack of abiding to anothers wishes?

the intention

okay, If I may. I want to call people boy and girl because it's easy on my small brain, would this be acceptable?

if you really are such a brainlet I guess so

That's great, easy enough for me

you can believe in as many genders as you wish then

it's the telling me what to think part. I have trouble with

you can understand

gender in itself is about belief

right, how would I deal with someone who gets offended by me calling them a girl? when my intention was simple minded (they looked like what I perceive as a girl) but nonetheless they are offended

Oh thats a spicy edit

how does one navagate those waters without being offended themselves? (respecting my simple mind)

just say sorry I'm a retard