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2018-03-27 09:50:53 UTC

Fucking enough

2018-03-27 09:51:03 UTC

where's the debate at?

2018-03-27 09:51:24 UTC

the sassy furry with attitude is here

2018-03-27 09:51:29 UTC

better watch out BUSTER

2018-03-27 09:51:30 UTC

@chaoticoverview why? are your political positions controversial?

2018-03-27 09:51:37 UTC

Are you a fan of Sargon?

2018-03-27 09:51:41 UTC

I'm confronting my mother in law about her constant buying of Halal meat.

2018-03-27 09:52:18 UTC

if she knew you were a furry she'd buy you haram just to spite you

2018-03-27 09:52:23 UTC

There was an invite on pol for alt-right fags.

2018-03-27 09:52:35 UTC

yeah I saw the /pol/ thread

2018-03-27 09:52:52 UTC
2018-03-27 09:52:54 UTC

I like listening to Sargon occasionally. Calling myself a fan would be stretching it

2018-03-27 09:53:47 UTC

I heard people arguing about emotions

2018-03-27 09:53:48 UTC

No, she's just an apologist of the greatest order.

2018-03-27 09:54:27 UTC

I've only had a confrontation with her once over Islam. Typical apologist stuff was said.

2018-03-27 09:54:40 UTC

Islam is poison

2018-03-27 09:54:43 UTC

Such as "You're a racist." "Religion of peace." "Oppressed minority"

2018-03-27 09:54:44 UTC

**Desertpirate#5228** was cleansed from the server.

2018-03-27 09:55:18 UTC

DesertPirate got gassed

2018-03-27 09:56:24 UTC

Islam needs to be reformed. Every religion has been violent at some point in history. Usually when that civilization becomes more educated and wealthy they become less vioent and radical and more accepting of other beliefs.

2018-03-27 09:56:47 UTC

We're in the mids of pretty damming culture war tbh

2018-03-27 09:57:24 UTC


2018-03-27 09:57:45 UTC

I think it helps to know a bit more about the different sects

2018-03-27 09:57:49 UTC

up arrow key allows you to edit posts

2018-03-27 09:57:57 UTC


2018-03-27 09:58:01 UTC

its much easier for a normalfag to rail against salafi islam than "islam" in general

2018-03-27 09:58:03 UTC


2018-03-27 09:58:14 UTC

The absolute mad man

2018-03-27 09:58:25 UTC

and it makes more sense too since some branches are more radical than others

2018-03-27 09:59:09 UTC

belief in an organized religion is stupid enough but a dark ages death and rape cult?

fukkin hell man its [the current year]

2018-03-27 09:59:55 UTC

europe is doomed

2018-03-27 09:59:56 UTC

religion isnt going anywhere

2018-03-27 10:00:06 UTC

you have literally the worst takes

2018-03-27 10:00:09 UTC

how is organized religion any different than government?

2018-03-27 10:00:22 UTC

>religion isnt going anywhere

stupid people will be with us for a long time

2018-03-27 10:01:27 UTC

does the belief in god truly make you stupid? perhaps it's a coping mechanism for humans in troubling times?

2018-03-27 10:01:42 UTC

I thought the sargon discord would at least be familiar with jordan peterson

2018-03-27 10:01:42 UTC

organized religion scares you into behaving with threats of hell and government scares you into behaving with threats of jail

2018-03-27 10:01:44 UTC

There are better Gods to have faith in that fucking Allah.

2018-03-27 10:02:10 UTC

you think people behaving is a bad thing?

2018-03-27 10:02:20 UTC

i dont recall saying that

2018-03-27 10:03:23 UTC

i have watched JBP's maps of meaning, personalities and its transformations and his biblical series

2018-03-27 10:03:45 UTC

you should look up jonathan haidt

2018-03-27 10:04:07 UTC

saw his ted talk

2018-03-27 10:04:14 UTC


2018-03-27 10:04:26 UTC

the righteous mind is a good book

2018-03-27 10:04:27 UTC

Is this debate in a voice channel or just chat?

2018-03-27 10:04:39 UTC

well yo ushould be impressed

2018-03-27 10:04:40 UTC

no one on VC

2018-03-27 10:04:43 UTC

or dig deeper into his stuff

2018-03-27 10:04:49 UTC

I don't think there is a debate

2018-03-27 10:05:01 UTC

your fedora take on religion is juvenile

2018-03-27 10:05:02 UTC

its a conversation

2018-03-27 10:05:42 UTC

agreed. You seem like another pompous atheist who believes he's better for his beliefs

2018-03-27 10:05:51 UTC

sorry this is probably a better haidt video for the discussion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ192d4c4S0

2018-03-27 10:05:57 UTC

your belief that my comments here are the totality of my ideas is facile

2018-03-27 10:06:06 UTC

I'm down for a conversation, what's the premise?

2018-03-27 10:06:19 UTC


2018-03-27 10:06:28 UTC

organised religion

2018-03-27 10:06:33 UTC

well to even say those things reflects a flawed worldview

2018-03-27 10:06:51 UTC

what type of religion would you rather have?

2018-03-27 10:06:52 UTC

your opinion is noted

2018-03-27 10:06:55 UTC

each person following their own?

2018-03-27 10:07:04 UTC

Oh lame, not a very fun topic

2018-03-27 10:07:21 UTC

The little profile picture in the tweet is from Mogg

2018-03-27 10:07:23 UTC

i have no preference... faith is a gift i have yet to recieve

2018-03-27 10:07:27 UTC

He is a troll

2018-03-27 10:07:40 UTC


2018-03-27 10:07:49 UTC

so it's better for society to have remain unorganized by religious leaders. Imagine how much that would have stifled human progress.

2018-03-27 10:08:07 UTC

yes because the christian dark ages was so progressive

2018-03-27 10:08:42 UTC

the church was the center of medieval intellectual life

2018-03-27 10:09:22 UTC

i dont care if people believe in supernatural stuff... and i believe the precepts of judeo-christianity as the base for western civilisation was and continues to be the best ethos in which to operate.... and islam is evil

2018-03-27 10:09:22 UTC

The idea that Christianity caused or significantly contributed to the fall of the Western Empire has long since been rejected by modern historians.

2018-03-27 10:09:38 UTC

The cause of this "Dark Age" was the collapse of the Western Roman Empire and the waves of invasions and raiding that followed it.

2018-03-27 10:10:07 UTC

so where does shitting on "orgnaized religion" come from if you acknowledge all of that?

2018-03-27 10:10:22 UTC

I'm guessing you're a teenager or a juvenile cynical adult

2018-03-27 10:10:55 UTC

chaotic I've actually met quite a few old hippies who have that view

2018-03-27 10:11:03 UTC

churches have purpetrated some of the most vile evils in history and the Bible itself as a creation of the council of nicea to placate pagans and jews was a terrible hoax

2018-03-27 10:11:21 UTC

it was pretty radical in their time so they still think its mind blowing to the people they tell

2018-03-27 10:12:16 UTC

there is no such thing as good or evil only human survival.

2018-03-27 10:12:37 UTC

thus spake chaoticoverview

2018-03-27 10:12:52 UTC

thus spake shadow the hedgehog

2018-03-27 10:12:55 UTC

define evil?

2018-03-27 10:13:05 UTC

oh god

2018-03-27 10:13:07 UTC

define good?

2018-03-27 10:13:13 UTC

i'm out

2018-03-27 10:13:17 UTC


2018-03-27 10:13:19 UTC

7am time to go to bed

2018-03-27 10:13:22 UTC

define heterosexual?

2018-03-27 10:13:39 UTC

Define waste of time

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2018-03-27 10:13:45 UTC

define correctly sized anus

2018-03-27 10:13:48 UTC


2018-03-27 10:14:19 UTC

Alright so suppose you have the answers to society all figured out. how do you make everyone else go along with it?

2018-03-27 10:14:50 UTC


2018-03-27 10:14:50 UTC

no one does. If they did they'd be doing it

2018-03-27 10:14:52 UTC


2018-03-27 10:14:54 UTC

you expel anyone who doesn't agree 100% with you and try to ruin their lives

2018-03-27 10:14:55 UTC


2018-03-27 10:14:58 UTC

activism 101

2018-03-27 10:15:14 UTC

Violence generally right?

2018-03-27 10:15:19 UTC

oppression stifles productivity though and leads to revolt

2018-03-27 10:15:23 UTC


2018-03-27 10:15:26 UTC


2018-03-27 10:15:27 UTC

can i ask sth

2018-03-27 10:15:39 UTC

if that was true we would still be practicing slavery

2018-03-27 10:15:41 UTC

Can;t revolt if you're dead

2018-03-27 10:15:50 UTC


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2018-03-27 10:15:53 UTC

can't kill everyone

2018-03-27 10:16:01 UTC

hi birdfaggot make your point

2018-03-27 10:16:09 UTC

Can't control everyone either

2018-03-27 10:16:36 UTC

That's why freedom of choice is the most important factor in a society

2018-03-27 10:16:58 UTC


2018-03-27 10:17:06 UTC

so choice ultimately

2018-03-27 10:17:10 UTC

or revolt insues

2018-03-27 10:17:17 UTC

within reason

2018-03-27 10:17:26 UTC

eventually yes

2018-03-27 10:17:42 UTC

you guys are trying to distill complex structures and processes into a single principle

2018-03-27 10:17:53 UTC

Depends, segregate, let people choose what nightmare to live under

2018-03-27 10:17:56 UTC

it really betrays an autistic need for order and clean answers

2018-03-27 10:18:03 UTC

more choice the better

2018-03-27 10:18:36 UTC

okay. freedom of choice is one part of the complex structure of a highly functioning society

2018-03-27 10:19:02 UTC

I'm trying to avoid a one size fits all actually. I'm not happy with just one society

2018-03-27 10:19:03 UTC

if you want a fundamental structure from which to base an ideology on autistically, it's humans as a social animal

2018-03-27 10:19:09 UTC

do you really want me to go into every detail of such a complex system?

2018-03-27 10:19:31 UTC

no I don't

2018-03-27 10:19:37 UTC

there is no one society?

2018-03-27 10:19:51 UTC

any theory that doesnt start from there or acknowledge it is inadequate

2018-03-27 10:20:07 UTC

libertarianism in particular is bad at coping with the fact

2018-03-27 10:20:46 UTC

If anything is certain to me, It's that their should not be just one society, or one authority on morality and social structure. let people choose facism, let others choose anarchy, yada yada.

2018-03-27 10:21:06 UTC

Not that it will expel violence, it would just allow for choice

2018-03-27 10:21:14 UTC

Violence wont ever be expelled

2018-03-27 10:21:49 UTC

Segregation of such societies of course

2018-03-27 10:21:53 UTC

fascism is not compatible with a free society just as anarchy is not compatible with an authoriative society

2018-03-27 10:22:20 UTC

Yes that's why we cannot have one society

2018-03-27 10:22:21 UTC

it would also lead to constant warfare

2018-03-27 10:22:29 UTC

It would

2018-03-27 10:22:36 UTC

we don't!

2018-03-27 10:22:44 UTC

But one society, or structure would lead to warfare regardless

2018-03-27 10:22:47 UTC

through oopression

2018-03-27 10:22:48 UTC

there is no one society

2018-03-27 10:22:57 UTC

**Alakazam#4383** was cleansed from the server.

2018-03-27 10:23:03 UTC

I know, but that's the goal for many

2018-03-27 10:23:07 UTC

they want to fix the world

2018-03-27 10:23:08 UTC

their way

2018-03-27 10:23:40 UTC

then let them fix it. If it brings peace and prosperity across the globe then why fight it?

2018-03-27 10:23:57 UTC

Because it wont

2018-03-27 10:24:09 UTC

It's flawed to think you can change everyones minds

2018-03-27 10:24:30 UTC

some people want fascism, some want liberty

2018-03-27 10:24:43 UTC

some want islam

2018-03-27 10:24:52 UTC

very few actually want fascism

2018-03-27 10:25:19 UTC

are you of the belief you can convince them of that?

2018-03-27 10:25:32 UTC

educating children is the key to changing society for the better

2018-03-27 10:25:48 UTC

I don;t need to convince anyone of anthing

2018-03-27 10:26:23 UTC

You'll just indoctrinate?

2018-03-27 10:26:45 UTC

I just need the ignorant to send their kids to school. If it's free most will do so. Essentially yes. For the betterment of society.

2018-03-27 10:27:21 UTC

Ah. Well you'll get what you're after, if you control the educating that's

2018-03-27 10:27:55 UTC

however. Indoctrination isn't quite right. I would want to teach them critical thinking skills

2018-03-27 10:29:01 UTC

I'm going to teach my boy critical thinking too.

2018-03-27 10:29:03 UTC

That's the plan

2018-03-27 10:29:11 UTC

I understand. rationally if you're right, they would believe what's educating, and you would not fear the critical, as you believe you hold the truth.

2018-03-27 10:29:16 UTC

good on you Valty

2018-03-27 10:29:37 UTC

I hate the idea of indoctrinating children, regardless what it is.

2018-03-27 10:29:44 UTC

Let them decide for themselves.

2018-03-27 10:29:48 UTC

Exactly. and yes some will slip through the cracks and take mein kampf seriously but most won't

2018-03-27 10:30:08 UTC

In theory

2018-03-27 10:30:16 UTC

in theory yes

2018-03-27 10:30:40 UTC

Schools are known for indoctrination too though, so I'm prepared to balance out any bullshit he's taught.

2018-03-27 10:31:02 UTC

Well, if some universal truth does exist for a better society, the children and the right education would be the path to finding out

2018-03-27 10:31:16 UTC

the modern education system doesn't teach any real valuable skills other than reading and writing

2018-03-27 10:31:36 UTC

that's my belief

2018-03-27 10:31:51 UTC

Some math

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I was going to type math but got lazy lol

2018-03-27 10:32:42 UTC

getting tired but enjoying convo

2018-03-27 10:34:00 UTC

But it's also possible the only truth from teaching rationale well to the youth, is that much of a "better society" depends on the goals you have for life, and life goals are irrational, by that all will fade to nothing. so we can take that and assume lifes meaning and therefore purpose will differ, and so opinions on a better society will very so greatly between collectivism, individualism, materialism, spiritualism. we'll even with well rational children (not indoctrinated) will cause conflict

2018-03-27 10:34:08 UTC

and warfare will continue

2018-03-27 10:34:48 UTC

It's my belief such differences will not easily go away, and so if "better society" is one without warfare. your best bet is indoctrination and total control

2018-03-27 10:35:04 UTC

at least if it's not spiritual

2018-03-27 10:38:52 UTC

Those differences in beliefs are fine and you can vote democratically for those values but in a system with many checks and balances it's going to be difficult to have it be dominated by one general ideology and will more likely become a complex system that incorporates many different ideas and over time the one's that work will stay and the one's that don't will be removed.

2018-03-27 10:40:19 UTC

Define work. less violent? more productive? closer to god?

2018-03-27 10:43:36 UTC

it depends. For example we know that the separation of religion and state is necessary because without that freedom of religion couldn't exist for the minor religions. We know that the right to bear arms is necessary to protect the right to freedom of speech. We know freedom of speech is valuable because it keeps society from suppressing ideas that could potentially better humanity, etc.

2018-03-27 10:45:50 UTC

**Aodhan#5253** was cleansed from the server.

2018-03-27 10:45:56 UTC

true, they all share a common relationship, expression, or the will to express. or better the right to conflict

2018-03-27 10:46:28 UTC

one way or the other, we want the right to rebel, to object

2018-03-27 10:47:24 UTC

It's so of my belief this is the problem, many want to avoid creating conflict, or believe a better society is a peaceful one or one devoid of conflict/violence

2018-03-27 10:47:48 UTC

now violence always leads people to lend their mind to the worst of thoughts

2018-03-27 10:47:57 UTC

but think sport as an example

2018-03-27 10:48:35 UTC

the Olympics are perhaps humanities best global achievement in my mind, something so silly as sports

2018-03-27 10:49:11 UTC

but nonetheless it symbolizes finding ways to fight out differences and find peace through violence

2018-03-27 10:52:05 UTC

Or to assert dominance by saying we produce better people than you and advertize people to come to your better country

2018-03-27 10:52:57 UTC

Look at this guy he runs fast, if you were in our country this guy would be winning for you

2018-03-27 10:54:02 UTC

Right, also is a good way to settle an argument. not all arguments but it does help some

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2018-03-27 10:57:16 UTC

I guess where I like to go with this thinking is that violence is so overlooked on the importance it leads in a healthy society, to test your society against another. war is after all quite productive in many ways. but if society could find ways to compete without its most uneducated form, being that of destroying the other proves I'm right argument. we might actually start to see the path to universal truth is ironically mixed in with what we perceive as the worst argument you can make, that of "shutup or ill shut you up"

2018-03-27 10:58:05 UTC

so western culture > third world

2018-03-27 10:58:08 UTC

fucking fascist

2018-03-27 10:58:51 UTC

debating in itself can be a form of warfare. why would anyone want to rid a society of such things?

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2018-03-27 10:59:25 UTC

want to bring importance to this

2018-03-27 10:59:44 UTC

if a server wants to survive gotta recognize debating is a form of warfare

2018-03-27 11:00:31 UTC

Society as a hole mate.

2018-03-27 11:02:35 UTC

conflict is the path of progress, I don't want to rid the world of my enemies, no, you'll never rid yourself of enemies, nobody is ultimately alike, and no one goal will satisfy. so a society that has not embraced this cannot survive.

2018-03-27 11:03:07 UTC

Better to segregate and give people the option to move to their desired hell imo

2018-03-27 11:04:10 UTC

i dunno m8

2018-03-27 11:04:21 UTC

i got 5 bans in 2 hours

2018-03-27 11:04:46 UTC

im just an anarchist

2018-03-27 11:05:03 UTC

i just wanna deffend my family and friends from everyone els

2018-03-27 11:06:55 UTC

what's up fascistanis contrapoints btfo sargon

2018-03-27 11:07:15 UTC

kewl story bro

2018-03-27 11:07:31 UTC

nice avatar

2018-03-27 11:08:07 UTC

there's more than 2 genders debate me

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2018-03-27 11:09:40 UTC

Depends, do I have to abide by how many genders one person believes to another? or is it scientific? even so, can we agree to disagree?

2018-03-27 11:09:49 UTC

or should we just fight it out and whoever survives wins?

2018-03-27 11:10:08 UTC

gender in itself isn't entirely scientific

2018-03-27 11:10:20 UTC

**qtwinkieboy#1999** was cleansed from the server.

2018-03-27 11:10:35 UTC

no you don't have to abide by what someone wants

2018-03-27 11:10:35 UTC

its a word @deng

2018-03-27 11:10:38 UTC

it's just rude

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a fnord

2018-03-27 11:11:02 UTC

okay, I'll be rude then, as it makes it simpler on my small brain

2018-03-27 11:11:07 UTC

lurk lurk lurk

2018-03-27 11:11:12 UTC

and u gonna get me

2018-03-27 11:11:12 UTC

I think you're rude @deng

2018-03-27 11:11:13 UTC

names are complicated enough

2018-03-27 11:11:17 UTC

deal with it

2018-03-27 11:11:29 UTC

pol people dont lurk anymore

2018-03-27 11:11:34 UTC

whatever fascistani

2018-03-27 11:11:37 UTC

cause trolls make them think they get it

2018-03-27 11:11:55 UTC

internet culture is deep

2018-03-27 11:12:15 UTC

It it the intention that makes one rude? or the lack of abiding to anothers wishes?

2018-03-27 11:12:23 UTC

the intention

2018-03-27 11:12:58 UTC

okay, If I may. I want to call people boy and girl because it's easy on my small brain, would this be acceptable?

2018-03-27 11:13:18 UTC

if you really are such a brainlet I guess so

2018-03-27 11:13:35 UTC

That's great, easy enough for me

2018-03-27 11:13:49 UTC

you can believe in as many genders as you wish then

2018-03-27 11:14:04 UTC

it's the telling me what to think part. I have trouble with

2018-03-27 11:14:07 UTC

you can understand

2018-03-27 11:14:23 UTC

gender in itself is about belief

2018-03-27 11:15:23 UTC

right, how would I deal with someone who gets offended by me calling them a girl? when my intention was simple minded (they looked like what I perceive as a girl) but nonetheless they are offended

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2018-03-27 11:15:44 UTC

Oh thats a spicy edit

2018-03-27 11:15:44 UTC

how does one navagate those waters without being offended themselves? (respecting my simple mind)

2018-03-27 11:16:34 UTC

just say sorry I'm a retard

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