Well, suicide rates post-transition show no change.

Which is why gender reassignment works because they just push all the components around

@EmptyE I never fucking said that, but phycological treatment has shown to be far more effective at actually preventing suicide in those with gender dysphoria.

so what you consider not a vagina really is one

But if I told a guy at the pub I think hes schizo and should get treatment, and then stopped allowing his position to be entertained

They require psychological help.

thats imposing

@Deleted User It could not function as a vagina

Can someone rename hooty to cathy hootman?

Obviously there is no hard and fast cure for transgenderism, but encouraging it sure as shit doesn't help.

that’s how

If your friend was exhibiting signs of suicide, wouldn't you want him to seek help?

Cathoot newman?

Cathot newman

Probably. But if they refused to go I'd leave it that

They'd either become dangerous enough that I can't assiociate, they'd find their own fix, or they'd get help

@EmptyE If they won’t help themselves, then whatever results from that is their fault

Request

so everything has to have a specific functioning?

Again, Requests

Like asking a youtuber if he wants to be known by his first name or handle

I do request people with gender dysphoria get psychological help.

what happens when you lose particular organs?

@meratrix agreed. Whys it your perogative to make them feel worse about it?

are you less of a man or woman?

Because their suicide rates make it very clear that their psychological issues are causing them too much trauma.

You go to make them claim outside just in the world without appearing like a massive arrogant prick

@Deleted User The organ that grows into either the penis or vagina is a non-functioning, un-determined organ, the chromosomes cause it to grow into either the vagina or the penis. You clearly have a high school understanding of biology.

ok say it is functioning

then what

They aren't in Therapy with you, demanding to be fixed. They'd just rathar be referred to in some way because for the time being that makes being outiside easier. I don't see whats wrong with that

Personally i like to leave opinions about gender dysphoria and the like for actual professionals and think all should do the same.

Problem is that a lot of people who are not experts and have NO idea what they are talking about are injecting themselves into the issue.

say they create everything exactly

Normally, all humans have a heart that functions purely biologically. But some people have to get pace makers to make their heart work. Does this make them no longer human? No, they are simply modified.

Feeding their psychological trauma isn't going to improve their situation, clearly.

Yes we do

Its called a name

if you get a face transplant, are you a different person?

no

just modified

@EmptyE Like I said, if they’re know the descision they are making, and they are not bitching despit their descision, than I will oblige them. Have to actually been reading what I said, cause your response is idiotic.

No, Nicholas cage is still John Travolta

then i wouldn't hang around you mate. hence the friendship argument

Referring to someone as their name all the time is clunky, slow, and doesn't stop people from using sir/ma'am.

If you lose an arm are you a different person? If you become blind are you different person? Some i have heard have claimed they are.

so biology doesn't matter in this case

Because those words are polite.

@Deleted User If it were functioning as either, than that’s what it would be, but the organ on a fetus is NOT FUNCTIONING!

it has to be what you started with?

@meratrix what I read was you ramble on about psychology and treatment when all I asked was a question about social decorum. So have you been reading what I've been typing?

You kept asking further questions.

Never in the history of psychology has feeding a psychological disease been considered effective in curing it.

Well one of them was about the line of what "Making an effort" or the equivalent statement you made, was

M4 i think you would need to back that statement.

@EmptyE Your further questioning requires that I go into greater detail does it not.

Nobody should make any effort to allow their speech to be forcibly policed.

Not by members of society or parliamentary government.

Nothing I've argued has been about the effectiveness or otherwise of treatments/Transitioning. @meratrix

let's say you were going to become a boy, but a doctor altered your chromosome so the Y wouldn't kick in

are you still a boy?

oh wait. I made that one claim about satisfaction

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

```A survey of 10,000 people undertaken in 2012 by the Equality and Human Rights Commission found that 1% of the population surveyed was gender variant, to some extent. ```

You might be correct.

There is no basis for the claim of satisafaction. Suicide rates remain the same after a transition.

Ok. You can have that. Thats why I said it once and backed away from it.

I'd rather people not go through an expensive procedure where there is no proof thay ir has an improvement.

@EmptyE Yes, but that stuff is what is behind my reasoning, therefore I will explain when asked about how I came to my conclusions about the social decorum.

there are also biological differences in trans people

Organs can be different and stuff

@meratrix then you are claiming that your reasoning and how you observe the best way to treat mental illness is good enough reason to not care about someones wishes when expressed fairly?

Expressed fairly being an important term there

Hopefully biomodding will be a thing one day and people can just swap and choose all this at will.

@Omsomething I could get behind that

@EmptyE I said if they recognize that refusing to see a phycologist is detrimental to them, and they don’t bitch at me for THEIR OWN DECISION, then I will oblige their request.

is LGBTQ mental illness? no

that is their gender identity

do you guys know that scandinavian documentarian who did a piece on gender where he interviewed simon baron cohen and some other folks?

trying to find that right now...

@meratrix might have mixed you up with someone else here. You also claimed I believe that said individual should be somewhat along in transitioning. Which is the bit I was poking. What constiuents transitioning enough?

and no Hooty, just the T

I think you're just transphobic

**AND THERE IT IS**

@EmptyE I will also not oblige them if they are just bitching about it, but are not actually attempting to help themselves.

*Confette*

You're a fucking Transphobe, kiddo. Therefore your argument is irrelevant.

how is it a mental illness?

@meratrix what classifies as bitching then?

It's delusional.

your feelings are delusional?

Feelings can perpetuate delusions.

OK so you shouldn't feel like a straight male

If I feel like I'm Pluto. That doesn't actually make me Pluto, does it?

it's delusional

🤦

@EmptyE It’s not about transitioning enough, it’s about making the effort. And bitching is a fairly universal term. EX: If they just yell at me for calling them by male pronouns when I have never met them before and they look very much male cause they haven’t even tried to transition.

How many would see this as a problem if changing your gender would be easy and reversible?

@meratrix yeah and if someone did that to me I'd refer to them exclusively by male pronouns because that persons clearly a cunt who should be bullied. but Bitching isn't that universal, some may say bitching requires multiple instances of a behaviour, some may say it's just a tone or an attitude

@meratrix and making an effort is surely subjective. Some people may demand tits before they class it as making an effort

let's see what psychology has to say about this

some may just want them to have a dress on