@EmptyE When I say making the effort, I mean have they actually tried to go to a phycologist and/or transition in any way. They could even just be researching it for themselves.

So in essence M4 you are mostly just worried about the medical implications to people who might be impressionable and not mentally stable?

@meratrix why should they disclose that to you for social decorum goods?

am I one of the idiots?

@EmptyE Because how will I know what to call them then. If they want me to oblige them, then they better make it known. And almost certainly they will be a close friend or something similar for them too feel comfortable telling me they’re trans in the first place.

@M4Gunner
Well you are in the internet, people you dislike and do not want to talk with do not leave just because you want them to. It is a shared forum, and we all are on different levels of understanding on the topic.

@M4Gunner new questions, new crowd to me mate. Don't have to engage

@EmptyE I can’t go around in circles with you all day, I got other shit to do. See ya, you are much more enjoyable to chat with than Hooty.

@Deleted User This is a really great mini doc on gender and sexuality studies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70

@meratrix Not trying to take you in circles. But fair, cya.

I think if someone LOOKS a certain way, and you address them according to how they present themselves and instead of just letting you know it's not what they are, they verbally accost you and call you transphobic then they can go fuck themselves.

@M4Gunner Presuppose? Fuck you mate. I put alot of damn effort in being as value neutral as possible

Being transgender is not a choice. Transgender people don't choose to cross over and live as the other gender. They are, and always have been, the other gender.

@Jek Porkins agreed.

Ah sure, hit me up later if you want to talk. I could be wrong but a LOT of people might be talking about separate things when they talk about this topic.

It has many sides in it and people usually assume everyone is talking about the same one.

but sometimes it is

just sayin

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/laugh-cry-live/201507/transgender-or-truegender

It never is

especially nowadays

@Thomas the Sowell Train [USA] Fairly certain that would be a false diagnosis of dysmoprhia

being a transvestite doesnt mean you have gender dysphoria

Gender dysphoria is not a choice, it's a condition

http://time.com/4424589/being-transgender-is-not-a-mental-disorder-study/

"Gender dysphoria, or gender identity disorder, is the distress a person experiences as a result of the sex and gender they were assigned at birth."

Once you choose to "be" the opposite gender, and begin to experience displeasure because of your actual gender, you have self-inflicted your dysphoria.

Congratulations, you found an article arguing one side of a highly controversial topic.

@EmptyE I’m back for a quick sec, but yes, I also agree with both you and @Jek Porkins, my reasoning is for when it is obvious they are not the biological gender they say. I had a coworker once who had transitioned from female to male before I met him, had no fucking idea until he told me.

I'd say theres a massive seperation between displeasure from a choice, and psychology distress that would need treatment @Thomas the Sowell Train [USA]

http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

its not controversial

do you not see how treating trans people as if they have a mental disorder can cause mental disorders in them?

Whose?

Sure, there's a difference between someone who has transtrendered, and someone who is say, chemically imbalanced.

Nope

Request

very different

@Deleted User treating a mental disorder as a mental disorder produces better results than pretending nothing is wrong

Yeah alright. But if you just want to make "what should the law be" arguments, well- that sounds really fucking dull

I'd probably look confused but then say 'alright, guess so' in that instance

why do the fuck do you keep dragging it to demands?

they do not choose their gender

lol

@Deleted User Correct, their chromosomes determine that.

there are biological, internal differences

we aren't just what you see on the outside

biological differences between a cis and trans?

no usually that's just part of the delusion, and when it is the case it's probably not what you think it is

if you put a female brain in a male body, are they then male?

@M4Gunner its my job to worry (think really) about them

no they're a mutant

I'm a ToM Cog studies grad

Same

what I'm saying is there are physiological differences that cause them to identify as a different sex

not true

yes it is fucking true

nope

There are psychological differences between the genders. This is a fact.

There are also only 2 genders

Second fact

@Hyddraigon Why should those facts matter in the social realm?

Unless you mean chemical imbalances in the brain which creates a personality disorder, for which the patient attempts to self-treat by adopting the delusion of being the wrong gender.

@Hyddraigon
What do you think of the natural hermies?

I think they're hot 👀

But as gender goes, you stated quite boldly that there is just 2 genders.

do gays and lesbians choose their preferences?

One question at a time

^ theres some scary data that suggests they might

Hermies are a result of genetic mutations

its the same thing

Biologically their systems are either female or male.

In families of 3 + boys the liklihood of a middle child turning out gay is signifacantly higher then the eldest or youngest

So hermies do not have any biological differences as compared to others of their "real gender"?

Plenty of homosexuals choose to be that way, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.

Biologically, no they don't

They just have extra parts

Yfw Alex Jones was right

They're turning the freaking ~~frogs~~ humans gay

I do not know the subject matter, i assume you have a solid proof that it is as you say? I can take your word for it because like i said i do not know.

https://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/51914/title/Are-the-Brains-of-Transgender-People-Different-from-Those-of-Cisgender-People-/

I say it with 90% confidence.

You can always google for proof.

But I'm quite sure in what I say

you know gay men try to be straight in many cases and cant do it

its not a choice

Sure, and in plenty of cases, they just prefer men.

And that's fine.

Homosexuality is, I believe, a genetics thing yes

Not entirely.

Something to do with over exposure to oestrogen in the womb.

I don't know the specifics

https://psychcentral.com/news/2018/03/16/structural-brain-differences-for-transgender-people/133802.html

you are sold now

yes

So what you're saying is trannies are <:high_iq:382980759012638731> <:high_iq:382980759012638731> <:high_iq:382980759012638731>

why do you think children grow up in normal households treated as a particular gender, but always feel like they are in the wrong body's?

Children have little concept of gender please stop abusing prepubescent kids.

Thanks

they grow up into adulthood and feel this way their whole life

"So like when my kid was negative 1 years of age he came out to me as gay and I was soooooo happy"

What *I'm* saying is traits of gender dysphoria come about around puberty and not before.