I was also thinking about how video sharing would work

how should it be different?

^^^^tru

well if you can get the video for free then why subscribe

at this point

give us what youtube wont show us

i want my daily nazi pugs and i want the creator to make money

oh, i misunderstood you sorry

this isnt a well-developed idea but--
probationary subscription
if i click a video im unsubbed to i can watch 3 vids or ~15min content without subscribing OR that creator will occupy an empty slot in my inventory of channel slots

lets say i always buy more subscriptions in bulk, because thats the only way you sell them

so i buy 20-50 subs for $1-5 extra per month, and i spend them slowly, but if i watch a video from the same creator it would pull a spot for him until i maybe delete him to watch more white girls twerking

and just shoot me if that sounds like ass

have you studied business models?

No I haven't studied business models, but I've seen a few episodes of shark tank, so i'm basically an expert.

maybe you should hire a consultant 😄

I'm not looking to make this idea lol

youtube still isnt profitable to google

few people can afford to lose so much cash

I hope someone will rise to fill the gap and bring me daily ad-subsidized nazi pugs

I think if you give creators control over what content they place behind a paywall and what to just put out for free, then there they decide what is best for them. Kinda like how Crowder has mug club but he still puts out free content.

I think youtube could easily be profitable, which makes me curious as to why they are not

i dont think people at google are too bright

It may just be more complicated than we think

it is

always is

The only theory I can even consider at the moment is, as a component of a larger entity, they're using it as a lever to either manipulate larger markets, ensuring that they're indirectly funneling people into using more of their products, or they're using it in order to jump through various tax loopholes by having a company (or companies) under their umbrella that aren't, on the books at least, turning a profit

goog take a lot of blind stabs in the dark with new projects

they practically cancelled google glass before realizing people might like it for actual WORK.
kms

Well, they did hire someone five or so years back to reign in their silly spending

Then people were complaining they were paying them too much in order to do so 🤣

The thing is, youtube has a constant stream of videos being uploaded. A subscription based thing like we are talking about would more than likely only have serious creators who are looking to make money, not just random family vactions and cat videos. that is easier to make money off of than what youtube is now.

YT have min subscribers/views/watchtime to even monetize videos now

what about catering to a niche audience while growing the platform, then opening it up to general public once infrastructure is nice

Floatplane has some interesting ideas one might look at

http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/27/technology/ruth-porat-google-cfo-pay/index.html

It would probably start out with the people that got fucked over by youtube, and then who knows. you would really need to already have subscribers and a name for yourself to do well though, because the chances of people subscribing to you without knowing who you are is slim, especially if your videos are behind a paywall.

rich fucking cunt

Yeah and then others will want a platform with less rules/censorship, and more *modern* advertisers

I really think its a good idea to make creators pay for their files hosted

Minds.com has some interesting business model variance vs. twitter

I dont think the model we are talking about will ever overthrow youtube though, unless youtube just goes under on it's own. It can be an alternative for controversial creators, but it probably wont have normies using it, which may not be a bad thing.

Whats your killer app

you need something like South Park basically

something nobody can get anywhere else. you may have to sign an exclusivity deal with some talented creators

unfortunately I don't know anything about computers, otherwise I would probably be working on something.

well do you know economics, or have a lot of investment capital, or know a lot of geeks and a couple richkids?

If I had an idea worth while I'm sure I can find a way to pull it off, but the trick is to not get it ripped off.

part of the process really is, to troubleshoot every single problem that will arise one by one

yeah, I like doing that

dont worry about people stealing ideas if you cant implement them. anyone can think of the same ideas, few can implement. indeed within the first year people would copy you, much bigger companies maybe

the best thing would be for them to be seen as clones of the original, if the original survives amongst them

One of the trickiest things is convincing people to use it once you've built it, you would need to get a bunch of big people to want to use it. and it has to be "cool" otherwise people are just gonna say "fuck that it sucks"

theres a lot of ways you can take care of creators with good GUI

if you can convince them theyll make more money off you than YT, theres something

get whats that bi†ch to plug it

Kylie Jenner

lol

get her to say her dad likes looking at balls on it

his own balls in a glass case with a livestream at an undisclosed location

if you wanna work the 'no censorship' angle, that really means locking down Sargon, MILO, maybe Jordan P for good measure

for sure

They cant exactly leave their platform right this sec tho

maybe if YT gets worse 😃

and try to round it out with some people who arent constantly 'accused of being right-wing'

plus they already have patreons so there is that to work around. they would have to adjust their models a bit.

who has been the most screwed over by youtube?

let me think

yes but thats actually good because they have a platform to get money and they can provide content to their subscribers on any platform they like

it makes them less platform-dependent

that has something to do with what Floatplane does

yeah but the thing is, how would the patreon donors feel about it. I dont know, I'm not thinking straight atm, I cant really articulate what I'm trying to say.

if you wanted to start *stupid* tiny, contract a creator to make you one exclusive video, get the web ui all coded up, and host it. make sure theyre popular and you can get them to plug it on their YT vids. and just make sure theyre super popular. the idea is a bit of a stretch, but so is anything

oh idk. are patreon users devoted to youtube?

make lots of lists of problems

No that's not what i'm saying, just that if the creator goes to a paid subscription model would the patreons stick around? and would they need to pay for the subscription on top of patreon? that sort of thing

Also the creator would need to have some form of exclusivity to the new site.

If they stay with youtube also, they would need to have a decent upload delay to get people to spring for the subscription

yeah thats a lot to work on. you really want the ad revenue so consumers dont have to pay

thats why i say make creators pay hosting, because theyre the ones trying to make money

charging the consumer 5$ a month is okay, but im not paying 60/yr just to watch milo

you would have to really get into the numbers to figure out the optimal pricing for everything .

yeah. lots of study

what is the end goal of the platform, summarized?

white people let their kids sell lemonade on the most traffic-suffocated roads of this town

A way for creators to make money without censorship, and a way for viewers to see the content they want.

or something along those lines

is an open platform a must, anyone can post video?

I dont think so

consider not having it open

I dont think that would work with something like this

call it **DarkTube** or something

I'm thinking something like that conservative network, I forgot what it was called

crowder is a part of it

i dont follow any conservative media 😄

but make it even bigger and cheaper

CRTV?

yeah that

yee, not my cuppa tea

You would need pretty big numbers though