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that they don't have kids
that's not normal
it's never been the case, in history
never self chosen low fertility
you don't need to get into demographics at all. people aren't motivated by these things anyway.
I've seen people rationalize it away as
statistics are gay
"oh so you are in favour of overpopulation"
no, it's not about the number of white people per se
it's more about, what happens
that a living being stops valuing reproduction
it seems like a very basic problem
that shouldn't happen
the exceptionalness really needs to be absorbed
the enormity understood
this has never, ever happened before, to any living being
i hear that sometimes, i just kind of mock them saying something like "ok sure let's just encourage all the smart people to not breed, that'll solve all the world's problems lol"
don't have to get into the details
it's obvious to everyone
but they won't do it still
well who are we talking about though?
people in general I guess
i mostly get good reactions
what they say isn't significant is it
at least for like 1-3 kids
if i start getting crazy with the numbers then i start losing them
something happened to lead to this mass change in behaviour
extreme depopulation is a common feature of the decline and fall of societies. They aren't the cause of it either.
no I understand
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ the key is self chosen
so it's not abnormal per se
an external pressure causing reduced fertility is very understandable
there's a couple of ideas about why this has occured in modern times
one is:
Four healthy breeding pairs of mice were allowed to reproduce freely in a 'utopian' environment with ample food and water, no predators, no disease, comfortable temperature – a near as possible ideal conditions and space. What happened was described by the author in terms of five phases: establishment, exponential growth, growth slowing, breeding ceases and population stagnant, population decline and extinction:
Phase A - 104 days - establishment of the mice in their new environment, then the first litters were born.
Phase B - up to day 315 - exponential population growth doubling every 55 days.
Phase C - from day 315-560 population growth abruptly slowed to a doubling time of 145 days.
Phase D - days 560-920; population stagnant with births just matching deaths. Emergence of many pathological behaviours.
Terminal Phase E - population declining to zero. The last conception was about day 920, after which there were no more births, all females were menopausal, the colony aged and all of them died.
To summarise – when four breeding pairs of mice were allowed to reproduce under ideal ‘utopian’ conditions, the colony entirely ceased to breed after three years, and then went extinct.
I wasn't quite right about it being the only case, I guess there's this experiment too
all this stuff goes away with a bit of encouragement. people feel alienated and scared and not confident about being good parents etc, over emphasize financial concerns. i don't think past societies who had demographic declines were paying people to breed like many western countries are now.
"Four healthy breeding pairs of mice", aren't they inbreds?
there's really no excuse. people just need encouragement. overpopulation is not a problem in the west at all. let fucking asia and africa reduce theirs first.
four pairs of mice would be a quite reasonable bottleneck population that should last way more than that
i would like less people overall in the west too under ideal circumstances but that's so far from what we have now
let four breeding pairs of mice loose in say, some pacific island
they would probably overrun it if conditions were right
at least they would establish a stable population
the issue here is also the pathological behaviours
it's not just that they all died, they stopped breeding
According to Calhoun, such phenomena may take place in societies where the older generations live longer than usual and the population growth is still within normal limits. The elderly do not die fast enough, and the younger generations wait impatiently to take over certain social roles. The competition between generations becomes much more severe.
After time, the old and the young start behaving in a way they would never do in the wild. Along with behavioral changes, the organization of society declines.
Despite the popular name of the experiment, Calhoun failed to create utopian conditions. Quite the opposite, the main purpose of the experiment was to observe the reaction of mice when living in an overpopulated society. In order to create an actual utopian environment, the whole living area should have been enlarged before the start of phase C.
we're not mice. this is not an issue that requires abstract scientific analysis
That too
do the mice watch anti-mice propaganda on mice tv?
i'm a bit rustled cuz this should be such a simple issue
In other words white people are not having kids because overpopulation is a real problem.
ok i'm out for now. hail our people!
it's combination of overpopulation, retarded society and lack of purpose, gil is right when he says that people should be encouraged to reproduce
Strictly speaking about mouse Utopia
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ overpopulation itself was not an issue in Mouse Utopia because the mice had everything they wanted
overpopulation is a malthusian issue for mankind, or considered one
the mice did not need to compete for food
they got everything
food, shelter, mates
did you read the rest
I remember that Brett wrote an article about it: http://www.amerika.org/politics/an-economics-of-survival/
I've read it all
I'm just clarifying this, wasn't contradicting you
ok
Fortunately in the real world the Utopia conditions aren't actually feasible
don't have to match it to humanity 1 to 1, or even close
there was a precipitous drop in fertility in both
the idea is, are we (or white people specifically) at the end of the curve
can we recognize things that look like those pathological behaviours
in modern people
Yes but you asked "why"
why what?
why are people not having kids
it was rhetorical
his conclusion is intuitive to most young people, "if I can't find a place, my kids won't"
otherwise declines in birth rates follow trends of economic contraction once you grand an inertia of a generation or so
you're an INTJ too, aren't you
goddamnit
of course
Another one lol
That's terrific
How @diversity_is_racism might look like, proposal 2
yeah, no dice
and how Brett REALLY looks like
again
lets see
iBong should be good for it
brett is swarthy
there you go @The Enlightened Shepherd
dude not wearing a mask
Brett does not have a curly hair these are all judeo-bolshevik lies !
oh, a denialist
I respect your position
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