yes

but that isn't down to capitalism

and it fucks people over all the time

it's down to managerialism

socialism would be considerably worse in that regard, for instance

THAT IS THE POINT

knock it off with the donuts man

capitalism does nothing to protect against managerialism, and in fact prozak's aristocracy is essentially planning managerialism from the start

IT IS BASIC HUMAN TENDENCY TO EXCLUDE THOSE WHO ARE NOT EASY WINS

AN EASY WIN IS WHOEVER GETS ALONG WITH THE GROUP

HOW IS GROUP DEFINED? BY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, EQUAL RIGHTS, ETC.

AND BY OFFICIAL MEDICAL SCHOOLS AND LICENSING

THUS YOU CREATE A MONOPOLY

AND HAND IT TO INCOMPETENTS

WHOSE ONLY REAL GOAL IS TO AVOID INFRINGING ON REGULATIONS

CAPITALISM IS THE OPPOSITE OF THAT

WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT: WE NEED MORE THAN AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM

THEN YOU GET IT WRONG

AND DECIDE THAT SOCIALISM WILL BE A PERFECT SYSTEM

nazi socialism was great

meanings are bigger than words, that's why you have to be rigorous with them and make sure you are on the same page with someone else

until your favorite eurasians and homosexual tea sippers ruined it

otherwise you end up arguing about the words

and not the meaning

The point with Mandarin conformity is that it was being built throug culture to work from bottom up

not other way arund

But Western mind cannot comprehend that, because Western mind only thinks in terms of mechanisms

There has to be a working formula on how to generate conformity

And if it doesnt exists, as it does not, then we will pretend it does

Like psychology for example

And since Westernism is all about joining the discourse and not asking questions, especially if they are concerned with long term outcomes

Then there are apparently no problems

People always forget how crazy things the West has performed in it's past

For 50 years treatment of psychically ill people all over west was being arranged according to a completely insane theory

they were being electrocuted and and psychiatriss all over tried to find out whether you have family inherited incestual sexual envy

its not completely insane, that

current psychiatry is just as bad really

in some ways, worse

current psychiatry is only good because it failed, so it doesn't attempt to contribute to the problem

well I wont derail you

then think about Behaviorism

with going down that track

It has to be the most stubborn and dogmatical surrender to worship of quantity in western scientific discourse

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/what-is-education.html

Hey prozak, what are you going to do about the fact that under capitalism everyone has a cost incentive to undercut and to deliver the cheapest, shoddiest product they can get away with? What is your traditionalist capitalism fix for the fact that food companies are incentivized to feed you dyed corn syrup instead of food, because it is vastly cheaper? How will market dynamics plus whatever interventions you propose fix that?

you're not accounting for the quality of the product delivered, what people are willing to accept, forces that act to enforce quality etc.

why would a traditionalist state regulated by culture etc. not be liable to be sold 10,000 hamburgers that are half soy?

de-industrialize food production

this produces the motivation in the first place to compete

scale down society

make things smaller, cleaner

yeah, the scale is the issue here, rather than "capitalism"

less polluted

so kill dalits until society is smaller

seems legit

you dont need to kill anyone to scale down society

okay maybe a few handfuls of people, every now and then

boundaries are important

http://media.mnn.com/assets/images/2013/04/architecturedensity01.jpg

you dont need to care who dies or does not die, once you decide who simply *doesn't come in*

that's why people invented borders

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=430425.0

SOME INTERESTING QUESTIONS:

"under capitalism everyone has a cost incentive to undercut and to deliver the cheapest, shoddiest product they can get away with?" -- THIS IS CONSUMERISM, NOT CAPITALISM, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CONSUMERS ARE TREATED AS EQUAL AND SUBSIDIZED BY GOVERNMENT. NOTE THIS ONLY BECAME A PROBLEM AFTER SOCIAL WELFARE SYSTEMS WERE INTRODUCED.

ALSO REMEMBER MY MENTION OF CASTE SYSTEMS

wait wait wait

I'm gonna need you to elaborate and substantiate some of that sentence

" food companies are incentivized to feed you dyed corn syrup instead of food, because it is vastly cheaper?" -- INTRODUCE DISCERNING CONSUMERS, AS ONE MIGHT DO THROUGH A CASTE SYSTEM. THE MARKET RESPONDS TO THE AUDIENCE.

where is the government subsidy leading to consumerism, and how in your view is consumerism substantially different than capitalism

MARKET DYNAMICS REFLECT CULTURE

"where is the government subsidy leading to consumerism, and how in your view is consumerism substantially different than capitalism" = CONSUMERISM IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE EMPOWER PEOPLE EQUALLY AS BUYERS, INSTEAD OF RELYING ON HIERARCHY BY WEALTH AS IS NATURAL IN CAPITALISM. THE SUBSIDIES ARE ALL OF THE NEW DEAL, GREAT SOCIETY AND WELFARE PROGRAMS. ALL BENNIES ARE THERE FOR EQUALITY AND CREATE A CONSUMER ECONOMY.

A BETTER WAY TO LIVE IS TO MAINTAIN CASTE

KEEP WEALTH IN THE HANDS OF THE COMPETENT

INSTEAD OF THE INCOMPETENT

WHAT YOU ARE SEEING WITH CONSUMERISM

IS SOCIALISM IN ACTION

how would you do this

would you limit who can buy and sell by caste?

as in my discussion earlier, that the market landscape would look different if only people over 120 IQ could use money?

so basically "capitalism works if we have better people doing it," which I fundamentally do accept, but how does that come about

"the market landscape would look different if only people over 120 IQ could use money?" -- YES

WE ARE LOOKING AT RESTORATION OF SOCIAL ORDER

THIS INVERTS CAPITALISM-AS-WE-KNOW IT

GIVE THE MONEY AND POWER TO THE BEST IN SEVERAL LAYERS

KEEP THE PROLES POOR

LIKE SERFS

look, I know you have your talking points

SO THAT THEIR PURCHASING IS NOT INFLUENTIAL

THEN HAVE LOCAL LORDS

I see

AND HIGHER CASTE PEOPLE WHO INFLUENCE BUYING

INCLUDING BY OSTRACISM

basically confiscate money and only let elites have it

ANY MERCHANT SELLING INFERIOR GOODS IS CRUSHED

YES

BASICALLY

BUT NOT JUST MONEY

LAND AND POWER

AND REAL NATURAL ELITES

NOT THE CLOWNS WE HAVE NOW