And since Westernism is all about joining the discourse and not asking questions, especially if they are concerned with long term outcomes

Then there are apparently no problems

People always forget how crazy things the West has performed in it's past

For 50 years treatment of psychically ill people all over west was being arranged according to a completely insane theory

they were being electrocuted and and psychiatriss all over tried to find out whether you have family inherited incestual sexual envy

its not completely insane, that

current psychiatry is just as bad really

in some ways, worse

current psychiatry is only good because it failed, so it doesn't attempt to contribute to the problem

well I wont derail you

then think about Behaviorism

with going down that track

It has to be the most stubborn and dogmatical surrender to worship of quantity in western scientific discourse

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/what-is-education.html

Hey prozak, what are you going to do about the fact that under capitalism everyone has a cost incentive to undercut and to deliver the cheapest, shoddiest product they can get away with? What is your traditionalist capitalism fix for the fact that food companies are incentivized to feed you dyed corn syrup instead of food, because it is vastly cheaper? How will market dynamics plus whatever interventions you propose fix that?

you're not accounting for the quality of the product delivered, what people are willing to accept, forces that act to enforce quality etc.

why would a traditionalist state regulated by culture etc. not be liable to be sold 10,000 hamburgers that are half soy?

de-industrialize food production

this produces the motivation in the first place to compete

scale down society

make things smaller, cleaner

yeah, the scale is the issue here, rather than "capitalism"

less polluted

so kill dalits until society is smaller

seems legit

you dont need to kill anyone to scale down society

okay maybe a few handfuls of people, every now and then

boundaries are important

http://media.mnn.com/assets/images/2013/04/architecturedensity01.jpg

you dont need to care who dies or does not die, once you decide who simply *doesn't come in*

that's why people invented borders

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=430425.0

SOME INTERESTING QUESTIONS:

"under capitalism everyone has a cost incentive to undercut and to deliver the cheapest, shoddiest product they can get away with?" -- THIS IS CONSUMERISM, NOT CAPITALISM, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CONSUMERS ARE TREATED AS EQUAL AND SUBSIDIZED BY GOVERNMENT. NOTE THIS ONLY BECAME A PROBLEM AFTER SOCIAL WELFARE SYSTEMS WERE INTRODUCED.

ALSO REMEMBER MY MENTION OF CASTE SYSTEMS

wait wait wait

I'm gonna need you to elaborate and substantiate some of that sentence

" food companies are incentivized to feed you dyed corn syrup instead of food, because it is vastly cheaper?" -- INTRODUCE DISCERNING CONSUMERS, AS ONE MIGHT DO THROUGH A CASTE SYSTEM. THE MARKET RESPONDS TO THE AUDIENCE.

where is the government subsidy leading to consumerism, and how in your view is consumerism substantially different than capitalism

MARKET DYNAMICS REFLECT CULTURE

"where is the government subsidy leading to consumerism, and how in your view is consumerism substantially different than capitalism" = CONSUMERISM IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE EMPOWER PEOPLE EQUALLY AS BUYERS, INSTEAD OF RELYING ON HIERARCHY BY WEALTH AS IS NATURAL IN CAPITALISM. THE SUBSIDIES ARE ALL OF THE NEW DEAL, GREAT SOCIETY AND WELFARE PROGRAMS. ALL BENNIES ARE THERE FOR EQUALITY AND CREATE A CONSUMER ECONOMY.