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2017-09-18 23:38:52 UTC

isn't far right

2017-09-18 23:38:53 UTC

they're russian seperatists

2017-09-18 23:38:58 UTC

made up of many elements on the spectrum

2017-09-18 23:39:06 UTC

syria is a totalist government

2017-09-18 23:39:12 UTC

not a free-market capitalist country

2017-09-18 23:39:24 UTC

The Chinese government isn't even close to being communist holy shit lol. It just says so on paper

2017-09-18 23:39:31 UTC

china is a communist country that places heavy restriction and market socialism

2017-09-18 23:39:36 UTC

A true far right movement is anti capitalist.

2017-09-18 23:39:37 UTC

on it's capitalist elements

2017-09-18 23:39:48 UTC

that's not true

2017-09-18 23:39:58 UTC

the falangists are capitalist

2017-09-18 23:40:08 UTC

fascists are capitalist totalists

2017-09-18 23:40:17 UTC

the nazis were actually another breed of socialists

2017-09-18 23:40:25 UTC

who were in a practical struggle with commies

2017-09-18 23:40:40 UTC

Wrong, fascists advocate for a free market, but a heavily restricted one, to the point where it cannot even be considered capitalism.

2017-09-18 23:40:53 UTC

that's not true

2017-09-18 23:40:55 UTC

Falangists are fascist syndicalists.

2017-09-18 23:40:57 UTC

state capitalism is far right

2017-09-18 23:41:10 UTC

fascism is a loose term for any extremely totalist governments

2017-09-18 23:41:27 UTC

Send me evidence from james mason, adolf hitler, or mousilini that proves they are for capitalism.

2017-09-18 23:41:37 UTC

all of those people

2017-09-18 23:41:41 UTC

aren't even true fascists

2017-09-18 23:41:55 UTC

Are you fucking serious?

2017-09-18 23:42:02 UTC

yes.

2017-09-18 23:42:08 UTC

musollini has a hard on for socialism

2017-09-18 23:42:12 UTC

The forefathers and great reformer of fascism, are not actually fascists?

2017-09-18 23:42:15 UTC

Are you kidding me?

2017-09-18 23:42:23 UTC

nazism is a knockoff of socialism with ultra-nationalist aspcts

2017-09-18 23:42:33 UTC

*aspects

2017-09-18 23:42:40 UTC

let me just write you off examples

2017-09-18 23:42:46 UTC

of capitalist far-right movements

2017-09-18 23:42:47 UTC

today

2017-09-18 23:43:00 UTC

Golden Dawn

2017-09-18 23:43:16 UTC

I mean, I'm not quite sure if they are capitalist.

2017-09-18 23:43:41 UTC

"right-wing dictatorship (sometimes also referred to as a rightist dictatorship) is an authoritarian (or sometimes totalitarian) regime whose policy could be called rightist.

There are various definitions of the term "rightist." The broadest one includes all dictatorships that do not consider themselves communist. Those are usually pro-capitalist in economic matters and conservative in ideological ones."

2017-09-18 23:43:59 UTC

Mousollini was for fascist syndicalism, adolf hitler modified socialism in order to fit his country, and mason has reformed fascism into becoming modern, while still implementing anti capitalist elements from the older policies and beliefs.

2017-09-18 23:44:13 UTC

the estada novo

2017-09-18 23:44:15 UTC

was corporatist

2017-09-18 23:44:30 UTC

pinochet

2017-09-18 23:44:32 UTC

was capitalist

2017-09-18 23:44:40 UTC

Pinochet was not even a fascist.

2017-09-18 23:44:55 UTC

There is literally nothing that proves it, other than that he killed communists.

2017-09-18 23:45:02 UTC

all far-right isn't fascist

2017-09-18 23:45:15 UTC

No fucking shit.

2017-09-18 23:45:51 UTC

I admire Pinochet for punishing drug traffickers but he was pretty fucking rough.

2017-09-18 23:46:03 UTC

what

2017-09-18 23:46:05 UTC

@LiterallyAnon He was not a fascist, even if he was far right.

2017-09-18 23:46:11 UTC

pinochet was softer then most dictators

2017-09-18 23:46:18 UTC

to me, throwing off these commies

2017-09-18 23:46:19 UTC

I'm not saying he was far right.

2017-09-18 23:46:21 UTC

in helicopters

2017-09-18 23:46:26 UTC

was justified

2017-09-18 23:46:33 UTC

fire up the rotors

2017-09-18 23:47:51 UTC

mussolini believed in dynamic capitalism

2017-09-18 23:47:58 UTC

and to an extent, static capitalism

2017-09-18 23:50:57 UTC

Moussolini believed that the state and corporate power should merge, in a sense, it would make the state replace the roles of the corporations, however not like communism, because private property, as well as personal property, would continue to exist, albeit under heavy regulations.

2017-09-18 23:52:00 UTC

Moussolini is interesting when talking about fascism, in that he is an outlier in the whole situation.

2017-09-18 23:53:38 UTC

AH! I GET IT NOW!

2017-09-18 23:54:42 UTC

Yes, mousillini was a falagnist, comparable to socialism, in that the workers would operate and own their own businesses and factories, while the government would take control of the corporations and merge them with the state.

2017-09-18 23:58:11 UTC

Personal property still exists in communism

2017-09-18 23:58:31 UTC

Yes, I know.

2017-09-18 23:58:47 UTC

(Well really it depends on each country)

2017-09-18 23:58:56 UTC

@Deleted User are you fashie because I get that impression lol

2017-09-18 23:59:22 UTC

But anyways, GENERALLY in communism, personal property exists.

2017-09-18 23:59:32 UTC
2017-09-19 00:00:01 UTC

I actually like fashies way more than neo-boomers believe it or not. I'm just not keen on authoritarianism

2017-09-19 00:00:18 UTC

most of the far-right rising in europe at the moment

2017-09-19 00:00:20 UTC

is capitalist

2017-09-19 00:00:30 UTC

the alt-right in the US

2017-09-19 00:00:32 UTC

is capitalist

2017-09-19 00:00:32 UTC

If you consider the left/right spectrum to be economic

2017-09-19 00:01:03 UTC

Then far right would either be ancap, or feudalism, depending on how you look at it

2017-09-19 00:01:26 UTC

neo-feudalism I mean

2017-09-19 00:01:44 UTC

@EALootcrates That is what I would like to drop the bomb on, fascism and it's many beliefs, are not far right, or any modern version of what you would consider to be far right.

2017-09-19 00:01:50 UTC

Anarchist server doesn't work

2017-09-19 00:02:21 UTC

Is fascism socally authoritarian by nature?

2017-09-19 00:02:35 UTC

to hell

2017-09-19 00:02:43 UTC

with the bluepilled

2017-09-19 00:02:46 UTC

marxist retards

2017-09-19 00:02:48 UTC

of the far-left

2017-09-19 00:03:08 UTC

@olev It depends, if you would look at national socialism it is, but under something like falangism, there are many more liberties.

2017-09-19 00:03:55 UTC

What is fascism though, can you give a somewhat in depth explanation of it?

2017-09-19 00:05:30 UTC

This page is really funny

2017-09-19 00:05:39 UTC

He's like a Communist Donald Trump

2017-09-19 00:06:09 UTC

The left right dichotimy has issues

2017-09-19 00:06:23 UTC

There's ideologies that don't really fit on it

2017-09-19 00:06:25 UTC

Alright, generalizing and summarizing a lot for the sake of my time, fascism is usually a spectrum of beliefs usually relating to ultra-nationalism, racism, and collectism.

2017-09-19 00:06:51 UTC

Though there are always outliers.

2017-09-19 00:06:53 UTC

I thought fascism is not inherently racist, though

2017-09-19 00:07:21 UTC

I understand there's many different branches of it

2017-09-19 00:07:27 UTC

But I don't understand the thing they have in common

2017-09-19 00:07:50 UTC

Fascism is just weird

2017-09-19 00:07:52 UTC

Fascism is inheriently rascist, do not misunderstand that,

2017-09-19 00:08:31 UTC

I thought Mussolini wasn't racist, though

2017-09-19 00:09:09 UTC

I doubt that, he did believe that every race should have pride, but he was mostly for the aryan race.

2017-09-19 00:10:58 UTC

fascism isn't inhenrently racist

2017-09-19 00:11:07 UTC

nationalism socialism is

2017-09-19 00:11:47 UTC

Hmm, I guess it is up for interpritation if strong belief in pride in **your** race is inheriently rascist.

2017-09-19 00:13:29 UTC

that's bullshit

2017-09-19 00:13:31 UTC

let me tell you

2017-09-19 00:13:33 UTC

what fascism is

2017-09-19 00:14:55 UTC

@EALootcrates I do not believe you are one to speak, considering that you have most likely not even looked at most of the articles relating to fascism, but go ahead anyways.

2017-09-19 00:15:26 UTC

That shit reminds me of that fag FascistCapitalist on Ironmarch who had Pinochet avatar

2017-09-19 00:15:52 UTC

He was most likely a normie who had no idea what he was thinking of.

2017-09-19 00:16:01 UTC

look,

2017-09-19 00:16:12 UTC

fascism tends to exalt race

2017-09-19 00:16:17 UTC

as superior

2017-09-19 00:16:30 UTC

but it's not in the definition

2017-09-19 00:16:33 UTC

@National Trotskyist Every group has it's idiot, fascism is not an exception.

2017-09-19 00:16:37 UTC

multiple fascist regimes

2017-09-19 00:16:47 UTC

or at least fascist-like regimes

2017-09-19 00:16:57 UTC

did not have a rhetoric

2017-09-19 00:17:01 UTC

of superior race

2017-09-19 00:17:07 UTC

Most internet fascists and natsocs are edgy 15 year olds

2017-09-19 00:17:17 UTC

no shitr

2017-09-19 00:17:19 UTC

*shit

2017-09-19 00:17:32 UTC

i personally hate fascists

2017-09-19 00:17:49 UTC

they screw over any rhetoric of state vs man

2017-09-19 00:17:57 UTC

and have a bunch of theories on racial purity

2017-09-19 00:18:04 UTC

@olev I could say the same about communism, what separates them from edgelords is that they will actively read fascist literature and will research it.

2017-09-19 00:18:12 UTC

most of the far-right isn't fascist

2017-09-19 00:18:21 UTC

About most internet communists?

2017-09-19 00:18:25 UTC

Maybe tankies and shit

2017-09-19 00:18:27 UTC

communist are bigger edgelords then fascists

2017-09-19 00:18:35 UTC

leftists try to actually normalize them

2017-09-19 00:18:39 UTC

but they slip trough

2017-09-19 00:18:56 UTC

and ramble on about how they embrace cultural marxism

2017-09-19 00:19:21 UTC

Leftism is unique, in that every few decades, a new belief will pop up.

2017-09-19 00:19:25 UTC

Edgy as in saying they're pansexual and shit, yes

2017-09-19 00:19:48 UTC

but in general they're more pussified and self-righteous than edgy

2017-09-19 00:19:55 UTC

like muh feelings matter

2017-09-19 00:20:26 UTC

facts over feeling

2017-09-19 00:20:27 UTC

s

2017-09-19 00:20:32 UTC

earn over deserve

2017-09-19 00:20:32 UTC

It starts with liberalism, then it moves to democratic socialism, then it moves to progressism.

2017-09-19 00:20:47 UTC

that's true danger

2017-09-19 00:21:00 UTC

the left definitely degenerated

2017-09-19 00:21:10 UTC

i prefer classic liberals

2017-09-19 00:21:19 UTC

In the next few decades, we will see a new progressive movement take form, possibly social rights or something like that.

2017-09-19 00:21:31 UTC

the dems will probably rename themselves

2017-09-19 00:21:36 UTC

to the social justice party

2017-09-19 00:22:09 UTC

Lenin himself saw this take place, he himself hated democratic socialism, but now it is much more common than regular socialism today in places like north korea or cuba.

2017-09-19 00:22:27 UTC

north korea?

2017-09-19 00:22:30 UTC

democratic socialism?

2017-09-19 00:22:32 UTC

cuba?

2017-09-19 00:22:35 UTC

democratic socialism?

2017-09-19 00:22:37 UTC

???

2017-09-19 00:22:37 UTC

Maybe I misspoke.

2017-09-19 00:22:43 UTC

i hope so

2017-09-19 00:23:10 UTC

What I meant is that those places are the last few remaining places where actual socialism exists, democratic socialism has taken root much more than them on an international scale.

2017-09-19 00:23:37 UTC

well

2017-09-19 00:23:41 UTC

let me say this:

2017-09-19 00:23:45 UTC

I feel as though none of you know what socialism is lol. And this is coming from someone who quite hasn't made up his mind

2017-09-19 00:23:47 UTC

north korea and cuba

2017-09-19 00:23:50 UTC

proved that socialism

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was cancer

2017-09-19 00:24:52 UTC

Democratic socialism can easily be classed as "not actual socialism" when compared to lenin, trotsky, and stalin, and marx's original beliefs, due to how different it is and how it has degenerated.

2017-09-19 00:25:14 UTC

Frankly, I do not blame the socialists or communists for classing it as such.

2017-09-19 00:25:17 UTC

democratic socialism is still heavy restriction

2017-09-19 00:25:20 UTC

on capitalism

2017-09-19 00:25:26 UTC

and state takes a major place

2017-09-19 00:25:41 UTC

democratic socialism is still cancerous to me and the right

2017-09-19 00:25:50 UTC

but nothing topples the many variances of communism

2017-09-19 00:26:04 UTC

Though that is about it, civil liberties are increased majorly, former crimes are decriminalized, and the state is granted much more power.

2017-09-19 00:27:13 UTC

And not to mention, unions and workers, do not gain that much more power over their jobs.

2017-09-19 00:29:36 UTC

The thing is I believe socialism has a lot more to do with labor and capital relation rather than the ideas people have created of it somehow meaning everyone is equal or the state does everything

2017-09-19 00:29:58 UTC

social equality

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is a futile goal

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pointless

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and impossible

2017-09-19 00:30:07 UTC

Equality is a false god.

2017-09-19 00:30:32 UTC

why the fuck don't you focus on making your middle class wealthy

2017-09-19 00:30:35 UTC

quit whining

2017-09-19 00:30:42 UTC

about others being more successful

2017-09-19 00:31:16 UTC

@Your Favorite Martian =3 Now, getting back on track, how do you plan on maintaining and managing social equality?

2017-09-19 00:31:33 UTC

(Be right back, I have to do something)

2017-09-19 00:31:54 UTC

I do currently believe though that centrally planned economies like the USSR were massively inefficient

2017-09-19 00:32:42 UTC

From what I've read socialism isn't really based on "equality" like everyone doesn't make the same money or have the same wealth

2017-09-19 00:33:27 UTC

But rather people are paid based on the amount of labor they put into a product I think

2017-09-19 00:33:45 UTC

The problem is it's all kinda based around this idea of the labor theory of value which I don't exactly understand

2017-09-19 00:33:48 UTC

Fully yet

2017-09-19 00:34:12 UTC

Which is why I'm tryna learn before I make my mind up about somethin

2017-09-19 00:34:44 UTC

The modern middle class is the proletariat

2017-09-19 00:35:07 UTC

the middle/lower class proletariat worker is the majority in America

2017-09-19 00:39:27 UTC

Back.

2017-09-19 00:40:01 UTC

@Your Favorite Martian =3 A centrally planned economy can work, but only in very small communities.

2017-09-19 00:40:40 UTC

Which I why I think I can get some of the understanding of anarchists and anarcho syndicalists.

2017-09-19 00:50:50 UTC

Was that the goal of pol pot?
I wonder.

2017-09-19 00:58:09 UTC

@Deleted User Out of curiosity, who is James Mason you spoke of?

2017-09-19 00:58:29 UTC

Never heard of him?

2017-09-19 00:59:25 UTC

No, google search brings up some actor

2017-09-19 00:59:34 UTC

And I know quite few fringe fascist ideologists

2017-09-19 01:00:46 UTC

I don't blame you, a person would have to have an above basic level of understandings of fascism in order to even know him, he wrote the book seige, you should look into him, he is quite the interesting personality.

2017-09-19 01:01:01 UTC

The book seige, is about as important to modern fascism as mein kampf is.

2017-09-19 01:07:29 UTC

Interesting, thanks

2017-09-19 02:02:20 UTC

He's also a George Lincoln Rockwell disciple, which is the worst thing you can be, basically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mason_(National_Socialist)

2017-09-19 05:48:54 UTC

nigger

2017-09-19 05:58:11 UTC

uuhhhhh dab

2017-09-19 07:00:20 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/359594546390106113/FB_IMG_1505613764959.png

2017-09-19 07:01:38 UTC

I agree, fuck nazis

2017-09-19 07:01:57 UTC

woop woop fuck nazis

2017-09-19 07:02:16 UTC

But need better helmets

2017-09-19 07:03:12 UTC

US m1 helmets

2017-09-19 07:05:11 UTC

yeah, but hopefully the antifa movement doesn't need to become protracted to the point of reeeaaaaally needing better / more militarized equipment

2017-09-19 07:05:19 UTC

Because at that point I'm dun fukd

2017-09-19 07:05:25 UTC

They need to

2017-09-19 07:06:09 UTC

Like, a genuine anarchist/socialist/communist movement? Sure. But the American antifa movement isn't anyone's Vanguard, pretty sure

2017-09-19 07:06:21 UTC

Hopefully they complete their quest and then go do some other praxis

2017-09-19 07:06:45 UTC

Antifa is a visible entity. If shit got violent, they would need to become underground, but would also be called something else then and keep 'Antifa' for public activity.

2017-09-19 07:06:55 UTC

^Basically this

2017-09-19 07:07:15 UTC

But if shit gets violent, and it's real big-top time fascism, then I'm probably already on a train.

2017-09-19 07:07:20 UTC

There's nothing wrong with exercising your 2nd amendment right

2017-09-19 07:07:51 UTC

What the fuck...

2017-09-19 07:08:04 UTC

This is the US antifa we are talking about

2017-09-19 07:08:20 UTC

Not euro antifa

2017-09-19 07:08:24 UTC

They probably don't need guns either

2017-09-19 07:08:26 UTC

Statism can go fuck itself.

2017-09-19 07:08:31 UTC

Hurr durr

2017-09-19 07:08:33 UTC

No

2017-09-19 07:08:38 UTC

>hiding behind a piece of paper

2017-09-19 07:08:53 UTC

Fuck yourself. You need to learn to defend yourself

2017-09-19 07:08:54 UTC

Hot take: Any sort of revolutionary protection through collective action will look like a state to someone

2017-09-19 07:09:44 UTC

Offence is the only form of defence for an Anarchist.

2017-09-19 07:10:19 UTC

But on US Antifa, I just don't think there's a real need to militarize / bulk up at this point, especially given the fact that it's really unlikely to metastisize into any sort of leftist revolution

2017-09-19 07:10:30 UTC

Yep, you're right.

2017-09-19 07:10:40 UTC

>there's no need

2017-09-19 07:11:03 UTC

>
Nothing wrong with owning a weapon.

2017-09-19 07:11:13 UTC

The point of the Antifa tactic is to change popular perception of Nazism and restructure the venting of the proletariat's frustration

2017-09-19 07:11:22 UTC

I think...

2017-09-19 07:11:31 UTC

I am half saying that to see if anyone agrees lol

2017-09-19 07:11:55 UTC

I think, on the issue of need, it would cause more problems than solutions at this point?

2017-09-19 07:12:17 UTC

Woke.

2017-09-19 07:12:27 UTC

coolcool

2017-09-19 07:12:37 UTC

Antifa is a visible, public entity.

2017-09-19 07:14:39 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/359598146478669824/REC0012092017.mp3

2017-09-19 07:14:50 UTC

It's visible, I agree. In the US. But that was just recently. Within the last year. People just need to learn that rioting doesn't work here... stand proud but carry a big stick. That's what works here

2017-09-19 07:15:43 UTC

Pacifism and posturing tends to be bad revolutionary praxis, in my reading of history, at least.

2017-09-19 07:21:01 UTC

Tike to shitpost

2017-09-19 07:21:05 UTC

Time

2017-09-19 07:21:19 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/359599823852273674/1505497724833.gif

2017-09-19 07:21:28 UTC

Here's some free gifs

2017-09-19 07:21:37 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/359599902428495873/1505503191400.gif

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