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isn't far right
they're russian seperatists
made up of many elements on the spectrum
syria is a totalist government
not a free-market capitalist country
The Chinese government isn't even close to being communist holy shit lol. It just says so on paper
china is a communist country that places heavy restriction and market socialism
A true far right movement is anti capitalist.
on it's capitalist elements
that's not true
the falangists are capitalist
fascists are capitalist totalists
the nazis were actually another breed of socialists
who were in a practical struggle with commies
Wrong, fascists advocate for a free market, but a heavily restricted one, to the point where it cannot even be considered capitalism.
that's not true
Falangists are fascist syndicalists.
state capitalism is far right
fascism is a loose term for any extremely totalist governments
Send me evidence from james mason, adolf hitler, or mousilini that proves they are for capitalism.
all of those people
aren't even true fascists
Are you fucking serious?
yes.
musollini has a hard on for socialism
The forefathers and great reformer of fascism, are not actually fascists?
Are you kidding me?
nazism is a knockoff of socialism with ultra-nationalist aspcts
*aspects
let me just write you off examples
of capitalist far-right movements
today
Golden Dawn
I mean, I'm not quite sure if they are capitalist.
"right-wing dictatorship (sometimes also referred to as a rightist dictatorship) is an authoritarian (or sometimes totalitarian) regime whose policy could be called rightist.
There are various definitions of the term "rightist." The broadest one includes all dictatorships that do not consider themselves communist. Those are usually pro-capitalist in economic matters and conservative in ideological ones."
Mousollini was for fascist syndicalism, adolf hitler modified socialism in order to fit his country, and mason has reformed fascism into becoming modern, while still implementing anti capitalist elements from the older policies and beliefs.
the estada novo
was corporatist
pinochet
was capitalist
Pinochet was not even a fascist.
There is literally nothing that proves it, other than that he killed communists.
all far-right isn't fascist
No fucking shit.
I admire Pinochet for punishing drug traffickers but he was pretty fucking rough.
what
@LiterallyAnon He was not a fascist, even if he was far right.
pinochet was softer then most dictators
to me, throwing off these commies
I'm not saying he was far right.
in helicopters
was justified
fire up the rotors
mussolini believed in dynamic capitalism
and to an extent, static capitalism
Moussolini believed that the state and corporate power should merge, in a sense, it would make the state replace the roles of the corporations, however not like communism, because private property, as well as personal property, would continue to exist, albeit under heavy regulations.
Moussolini is interesting when talking about fascism, in that he is an outlier in the whole situation.
AH! I GET IT NOW!
Yes, mousillini was a falagnist, comparable to socialism, in that the workers would operate and own their own businesses and factories, while the government would take control of the corporations and merge them with the state.
Personal property still exists in communism
Yes, I know.
(Well really it depends on each country)
@Deleted User are you fashie because I get that impression lol
But anyways, GENERALLY in communism, personal property exists.
@Your Favorite Martian =3 You guessed it.
I actually like fashies way more than neo-boomers believe it or not. I'm just not keen on authoritarianism
most of the far-right rising in europe at the moment
is capitalist
the alt-right in the US
is capitalist
If you consider the left/right spectrum to be economic
Then far right would either be ancap, or feudalism, depending on how you look at it
neo-feudalism I mean
@EALootcrates That is what I would like to drop the bomb on, fascism and it's many beliefs, are not far right, or any modern version of what you would consider to be far right.
Anarchist server doesn't work
Is fascism socally authoritarian by nature?
to hell
with the bluepilled
marxist retards
of the far-left
@olev It depends, if you would look at national socialism it is, but under something like falangism, there are many more liberties.
What is fascism though, can you give a somewhat in depth explanation of it?
This page is really funny
He's like a Communist Donald Trump
The left right dichotimy has issues
There's ideologies that don't really fit on it
Alright, generalizing and summarizing a lot for the sake of my time, fascism is usually a spectrum of beliefs usually relating to ultra-nationalism, racism, and collectism.
Though there are always outliers.
I thought fascism is not inherently racist, though
I understand there's many different branches of it
But I don't understand the thing they have in common
Fascism is just weird
Fascism is inheriently rascist, do not misunderstand that,
I thought Mussolini wasn't racist, though
I doubt that, he did believe that every race should have pride, but he was mostly for the aryan race.
fascism isn't inhenrently racist
nationalism socialism is
Hmm, I guess it is up for interpritation if strong belief in pride in **your** race is inheriently rascist.
that's bullshit
let me tell you
what fascism is
@EALootcrates I do not believe you are one to speak, considering that you have most likely not even looked at most of the articles relating to fascism, but go ahead anyways.
That shit reminds me of that fag FascistCapitalist on Ironmarch who had Pinochet avatar
He was most likely a normie who had no idea what he was thinking of.
look,
fascism tends to exalt race
as superior
but it's not in the definition
@National Trotskyist Every group has it's idiot, fascism is not an exception.
multiple fascist regimes
or at least fascist-like regimes
did not have a rhetoric
of superior race
Most internet fascists and natsocs are edgy 15 year olds
no shitr
*shit
i personally hate fascists
they screw over any rhetoric of state vs man
and have a bunch of theories on racial purity
@olev I could say the same about communism, what separates them from edgelords is that they will actively read fascist literature and will research it.
most of the far-right isn't fascist
About most internet communists?
Maybe tankies and shit
communist are bigger edgelords then fascists
leftists try to actually normalize them
but they slip trough
and ramble on about how they embrace cultural marxism
Leftism is unique, in that every few decades, a new belief will pop up.
Edgy as in saying they're pansexual and shit, yes
but in general they're more pussified and self-righteous than edgy
like muh feelings matter
facts over feeling
s
earn over deserve
It starts with liberalism, then it moves to democratic socialism, then it moves to progressism.
that's true danger
the left definitely degenerated
i prefer classic liberals
In the next few decades, we will see a new progressive movement take form, possibly social rights or something like that.
the dems will probably rename themselves
to the social justice party
Lenin himself saw this take place, he himself hated democratic socialism, but now it is much more common than regular socialism today in places like north korea or cuba.
north korea?
democratic socialism?
cuba?
democratic socialism?
???
Maybe I misspoke.
i hope so
What I meant is that those places are the last few remaining places where actual socialism exists, democratic socialism has taken root much more than them on an international scale.
well
let me say this:
I feel as though none of you know what socialism is lol. And this is coming from someone who quite hasn't made up his mind
north korea and cuba
proved that socialism
was cancer
Democratic socialism can easily be classed as "not actual socialism" when compared to lenin, trotsky, and stalin, and marx's original beliefs, due to how different it is and how it has degenerated.
Frankly, I do not blame the socialists or communists for classing it as such.
democratic socialism is still heavy restriction
on capitalism
and state takes a major place
democratic socialism is still cancerous to me and the right
but nothing topples the many variances of communism
Though that is about it, civil liberties are increased majorly, former crimes are decriminalized, and the state is granted much more power.
And not to mention, unions and workers, do not gain that much more power over their jobs.
The thing is I believe socialism has a lot more to do with labor and capital relation rather than the ideas people have created of it somehow meaning everyone is equal or the state does everything
social equality
is a futile goal
pointless
and impossible
Equality is a false god.
why the fuck don't you focus on making your middle class wealthy
quit whining
about others being more successful
@Your Favorite Martian =3 Now, getting back on track, how do you plan on maintaining and managing social equality?
(Be right back, I have to do something)
I do currently believe though that centrally planned economies like the USSR were massively inefficient
From what I've read socialism isn't really based on "equality" like everyone doesn't make the same money or have the same wealth
But rather people are paid based on the amount of labor they put into a product I think
The problem is it's all kinda based around this idea of the labor theory of value which I don't exactly understand
Fully yet
Which is why I'm tryna learn before I make my mind up about somethin
The modern middle class is the proletariat
the middle/lower class proletariat worker is the majority in America
Back.
@Your Favorite Martian =3 A centrally planned economy can work, but only in very small communities.
Which I why I think I can get some of the understanding of anarchists and anarcho syndicalists.
Was that the goal of pol pot?
I wonder.
@Deleted User Out of curiosity, who is James Mason you spoke of?
Never heard of him?
No, google search brings up some actor
And I know quite few fringe fascist ideologists
I don't blame you, a person would have to have an above basic level of understandings of fascism in order to even know him, he wrote the book seige, you should look into him, he is quite the interesting personality.
The book seige, is about as important to modern fascism as mein kampf is.
Interesting, thanks
He's also a George Lincoln Rockwell disciple, which is the worst thing you can be, basically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mason_(National_Socialist)
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uuhhhhh dab
I agree, fuck nazis
woop woop fuck nazis
But need better helmets
US m1 helmets
yeah, but hopefully the antifa movement doesn't need to become protracted to the point of reeeaaaaally needing better / more militarized equipment
Because at that point I'm dun fukd
They need to
Like, a genuine anarchist/socialist/communist movement? Sure. But the American antifa movement isn't anyone's Vanguard, pretty sure
Hopefully they complete their quest and then go do some other praxis
Antifa is a visible entity. If shit got violent, they would need to become underground, but would also be called something else then and keep 'Antifa' for public activity.
^Basically this
But if shit gets violent, and it's real big-top time fascism, then I'm probably already on a train.
There's nothing wrong with exercising your 2nd amendment right
What the fuck...
This is the US antifa we are talking about
Not euro antifa
They probably don't need guns either
Statism can go fuck itself.
Hurr durr
No
>hiding behind a piece of paper
Fuck yourself. You need to learn to defend yourself
Hot take: Any sort of revolutionary protection through collective action will look like a state to someone
Offence is the only form of defence for an Anarchist.
But on US Antifa, I just don't think there's a real need to militarize / bulk up at this point, especially given the fact that it's really unlikely to metastisize into any sort of leftist revolution
Yep, you're right.
>there's no need
>
Nothing wrong with owning a weapon.
The point of the Antifa tactic is to change popular perception of Nazism and restructure the venting of the proletariat's frustration
I think...
I am half saying that to see if anyone agrees lol
I think, on the issue of need, it would cause more problems than solutions at this point?
Woke.
coolcool
Antifa is a visible, public entity.
It's visible, I agree. In the US. But that was just recently. Within the last year. People just need to learn that rioting doesn't work here... stand proud but carry a big stick. That's what works here
Pacifism and posturing tends to be bad revolutionary praxis, in my reading of history, at least.
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