democratic socialism?

???

Maybe I misspoke.

i hope so

What I meant is that those places are the last few remaining places where actual socialism exists, democratic socialism has taken root much more than them on an international scale.

well

let me say this:

I feel as though none of you know what socialism is lol. And this is coming from someone who quite hasn't made up his mind

north korea and cuba

proved that socialism

was cancer

Democratic socialism can easily be classed as "not actual socialism" when compared to lenin, trotsky, and stalin, and marx's original beliefs, due to how different it is and how it has degenerated.

Frankly, I do not blame the socialists or communists for classing it as such.

democratic socialism is still heavy restriction

on capitalism

and state takes a major place

democratic socialism is still cancerous to me and the right

but nothing topples the many variances of communism

Though that is about it, civil liberties are increased majorly, former crimes are decriminalized, and the state is granted much more power.

And not to mention, unions and workers, do not gain that much more power over their jobs.

The thing is I believe socialism has a lot more to do with labor and capital relation rather than the ideas people have created of it somehow meaning everyone is equal or the state does everything

social equality

is a futile goal

pointless

and impossible

Equality is a false god.

why the fuck don't you focus on making your middle class wealthy

quit whining

about others being more successful

@Your Favorite Martian =3 Now, getting back on track, how do you plan on maintaining and managing social equality?

(Be right back, I have to do something)

I do currently believe though that centrally planned economies like the USSR were massively inefficient

From what I've read socialism isn't really based on "equality" like everyone doesn't make the same money or have the same wealth

But rather people are paid based on the amount of labor they put into a product I think

The problem is it's all kinda based around this idea of the labor theory of value which I don't exactly understand

Fully yet

Which is why I'm tryna learn before I make my mind up about somethin

The modern middle class is the proletariat

the middle/lower class proletariat worker is the majority in America

Back.

@Your Favorite Martian =3 A centrally planned economy can work, but only in very small communities.