when engels invited him to actually see a mill with his own eyes...he declined lol

too busy co opting classical english anrachism, i guess

You keep on going to appeals to motive. What is it exactly about Marxist theory which is wrong?

it's a hoodwonk

wink

bakunin nailed it, i dont know what to tell you

you know marx was infamous for his pathological hatred of russians, yes?

scores.of.millions.of.russians.murdered

"Appeal to motive is a pattern of argument which consists in challenging a thesis by calling into question the motives of its proposer. It can be considered as a special case of the ad hominem circumstantial argument. As such, this type of argument may be an informal fallacy."

cults, exist. shrugs

Kołakowski seems to be mostly a sophist.

i am well aware of rhetorical devices...you are however employing such is declaring i am consistently using appeak to motive...however..i am not, i am simply imploring simplicity in viewing what i am saying

3rd cousin, centralisation.

i read marx...never mentioned rothschilds once...did internet searches for the name in his works...never comes up

why's that?

you'd think he might have mentioned them at kleast once

Why is the reason important?

wtf

Whether he did or not mention, why is it significant to his theory?

yeah, kinda...int he real world

you got sold a one oared rowboat, fam...bail and swim for it

listen Karl...name and shame..or gtfo...dont matters its your 3rd cousin, bro

You keep saying that without actually addressing any particular part. You claim, well, it is centralised therefore serves to profit jews, and that Marx was related to bankers, therefore he is complicit in plotting with them through his writings.

nah...that was bakunin

tbh, my interests lay in the proposal of synthetic utopian systems as oppose to building upon natural systems...for me....the natural patterns make far more sense than synthetic ideologies

and so much less catastrophic

That's a naturalistic fallacy. It assumes that just because things are the way they are, that is best and ought to be done. Question: do you believe in science?

if you will excuse me for a few moments, whilst i get some poisons

no it isnt at all. ffs

no...i dont believe science exists..its an archaic mythology

i'm joking, right?

brb

Are you?

all i believe in is that stick up your ass cos someone tells you communism is flawed

Is science synthetic or natural?

sceince is measurement and inductive and deductive reasoning as to the natural patterns

brb

Would a society built upon the conclusions of science be synthetic or natural, in your framework?

mixed media...let me go..i'll be back soon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MPX20niOyQ

well, i thought about it on the way to the shops and back abnd all i could deduce was that you were inadvertently talking about nuclear power, in terms of synthetic sociological foundations...is that what you meant?

😃

ex jews are often crazy...but they are always more clued in on judiasm than the average goy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRm2XRJFSlU

It seems like you create arbitrary categories and then side with the one you like.

Marxism is scientific.

nope...its really fkng not...its POETIC

jfc...this "marxist science" caveat. just no

How is materialism poetic?

uh...how is it not?

for god's sake

ok...your side categories...explain to me how it qualifies as science

maybe that's just something you say because other people said it...and it isnt actually....i mean, all your rhetorical devic analysis aside...marx was not a scientific mind lol...he was a poet haha

tell me how it's science, please

uh..."surplus value"...really?

stop being a liteweight and watch something that could get you put in prison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgrZXiOPkrM

i'm a legitimate thought criminal where i live...how about you?

i'm a dissident..how about YOU?

Do you understand dialectical materialism?

now, if you'll excuse me, i'm going to get wasted

yes, i really do. Have you read hegel, at all?

let's just say...cut to the chase...you dont think i understand marxism

and i lol

Can the Hegelian dialectic be applied to scientific naturalism?

is there synthesis in nature?

is that video too scary or wot?

Your edgy videos don't impress me.

I know Hitler didn't gas any jews.

not tryna impress you, sparky...i'm tryna wake you up

well...they did gas a few thousand in the little red house, lets be fair

Cause and effect are distinguished by interactions.

hey, now...i though i hasd the monolpoly on inconseuential verbage here...your competing

conrad morgan never caught them at it though, those renegade waffen ss...he would have had them hung...you know conrad morgan, right?

with a K

The overall process of how matter moves and changes over time is dialectical.

look....i dont know what to tell you...Kolakowski is your man

do you mean its in a state of constant flux...cos obviously it is

if thats "dialectical" then so is pretension

because dia is concurrent with 2...and afaik matter has three fundamental states not 2

3

so how is it "dialectical"

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like i say...you want the straight dope on marxism@s flaws...kolakowski is your man

The universe is also increasing in complexity over time.

From lower to higher stages.

Increasing in entropy as it goes.

apparently only so far...and even then, beyond the limits of human comprehension...i guess thats why we need robots...but can i ask you, cos youre a sciencehead...who actually invented science? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8SMPGWTZ4Y

face it, science is racism. totallly hate speech

It is not pretence because Marx formulated this expression through the logica of dialectics and called it Dialectical Materialism and Historical Materialism from a social point of view.

ah ok *rollseyes

you sound a little like Ernst Mandel lmao

OK, so it is called different because it is presented different. Again, please show which part is false?

Hegel or Science?

marx occluded natural patterns by co opting classical english anarchism to give the glimmer of hope in centralised banking

That's an unfounded theory.

You haven't proven anything.

hegel existed, science exists, marx existed...but marxism is not a viable proposition in the real world...nowadays the extension is that robots will prove marxism's feasibility...its a fucking pipe dream

i've proven that you are a monolithic ideologuie and thats enough

All I wanted from the beginning was you to show proofs.

i'm not a fan of central banking institutions...you are...but i'm not. see you on the barricades about it, if need be

uh....proofs are in the real world puddings

Every time I ask you a specific question to just name drop and refer me to another source.

simplicity is undervalued

maybe i just dont play how you want me to

You are a good parrot but unfortunately digest little.

oh that might be an ad hom...unrustle jimmies asap

"nowadays the extension is that robots will prove marxism's feasibility"

you don't know enough about automation

lol

lets take a different tack, marxist....show me where the application of this poetic theory has proven successful

"robots" lmao

earth moves...wat....its not my conjecture..i think its silly

what do you think is silly?

"just one more chance"

I haven't read the rest of the convo, just responding to that claim

wasnt a claim

it was a reference to a claim made

whats next? FARC are misunderstood heroes?

the ONLY credible existential threat to international capital, EVER...was national socialism...and dirty as it sounds...it's fact

meanwhile, keep your eyes averted from something

UN stats, fam

@slack ironically, red Phoenix is a symbol of /pol.

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Not sure who is merchanting who anymore

oy gewalt!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTrBDJGySm0

@slack what kind of meds you got today? Is kot incoming?

dunno, what u got? i'm thinking about washing down some gabapentins with this sekt

I'm resting from meds. <:caring:312066184948350976>

@slack which sect? There are so many

herrenbrun

Where is it?

got some rotekaeppchen too

better safe than sorry

in my rucksack

a friend on mine got hit by her bf last night and i'm in a different country, thats no good

it makes me listen to this song thinking about it, and its probably frowned upon in the leftist bureau 😦 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5L_jYyo9v4

I'm on paroxetin

It's nice. But I think the alcohol is fucking it up

never heard of it...but am interested because of that fact

what the hell is it with that leftist bureau...i proved marx was a 3rd cousin to rothschild and quoted bakunin on the two of them and get kicked. jeez, wot a bunch of snowflakes

srsly...it's exactly the kind of nonsense which made me disenchanted with the far left

let's just say "praxis" 6 million times and we'll be edgy and hip and defeating international capital.

But if he was the third cousin of the rotschilds? Why did he needed Engels' sugadaddyism?

Praxis is bullshit is the proles haven't got any class conciusness

build me a functional time machine and i'll bring back the truthful answer

the crowd are always going to be crowdlike...what matters is the overton window

and it's managed af

In murica the overton is sooo right even the left wing parties are right wing

i am reading as much as i can about the third position

Although, our Socialist party, who governed for a few years was neoliberal as heck

it's decried in "not managed" academia...but there is surely some potentially in it...and nexus points to...where the divides can be minimised

The Third Position or Third Alternative is a political position that emphasizes opposition to both communism and capitalism. Advocates of Third Position politics typically present themselves as "beyond left and right", while syncretizing ideas from each end of the political spectrum, usually reactionary right-wing cultural views and radical left-wing economic views.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]
Third Positionists often seek alliances with separatists of ethnicities and races other than their own, with the goal of achieving peaceful ethnic and racial coexistence, a form of segregation emphasizing self-determination and preservation of cultural differences. They support national liberation movements in the least-developed countries, and have recently embraced environmentalism.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]

some potentially, definitably

it stems essentially, afaics, from the left wing of the national socialists that were all trounced...national bolshevism was an interpretation of it, later....but it has some chops...there's some potential in that thing, afaics

just dont mention it on leftist bureau, cos it will make angery

I've been nazbol long time ago. Marxism is far superior.

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Nazbols and fascist look like children after Marx.

marxism is structurally flawed...the only credible existential threat to international capital, ever...is national socialism...and that ..as a theoretical construct...is not mutually inclusive with xenophobic ethnostatism

How is it flawed?

valuing a nation's integral labour over international credit loans is not evil...and it proved to succeed

it denies the breadth of intrinsic human need...also it relies on central banks in it's "mid stage before utopia"

No, fascism is the last weapon of the bourgs

It has a hard on for property rights

nah...it was the Von's that flapped at the populism of national socialism..the aristos

proudhon was drunk

@slack international finance must be crushed by Marxism.

it wont work

cooperative autarkies

that works

any one size fits all is structurally weak...it cannot withstand corruption

My English is not as good as yours, please be more specific.

any all emcompassing theory is a monolith..it falls over easily... the answer is hybridity

cooperative autarkies... what is wrong with nations? there is nothing intrinsically wrong with nations

It is based on the contradictions. What kind of monolith is this?

they are simply a demonstration..an extension of ...natural territorial boundaries which EVERY species adheres to...apart from maybe viruses

sythentic utopian constructs are only benefitting profiteers

we can see this in the world today!

it's a monolith like the one in 20001 space odessy

i dont know, man...if we could just but get islam to spread democracy worldwide or vice versa maybe everything would be okay

i'm anti nationalist...i think every land on this planet that declares itself a nation should be attacked

including but not limited to Liberia

if Africa embraced national socialism and someone explained it well..africa would not be ripped off anymore

marxism cannot do that

jmo

required reading for proponents of marxism... not only my opinion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Currents_of_Marxism

Marxism can do absolutely anything. Stalin sayed it and did it.

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It just comes in waves.

Now you have some time to put powders on your asses and pray it won't return too soon.

oh dude this idiot is still here

@ballpen#5672 why don't you like him? He has meds.

I am looking forward to the Theory channel. I finished reading Podguzov and it was good.

Also been trying to find critique of Marx but none seem to be balanced or accurate.

Honesty is not the primary value for a parasite.

Theory channel might start only with English speaking MLs doing something about it. How CPGB LN is doing?

Or an american APL

I think they are only onse working on theory, but I might be wrong.

We can only translate stuff.

And write it in Russian

I think we need to do lots of translations. Guys wrote for more than 15 years

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@slack look up the socialist state of burkino faso

Thomas Sankara is fucking awesome

https://8values.github.io/

Post results

Social liberalism: 🤢

no u

Social communism: 👌

i keep getting democratic socialist

@★ Commissar Regi ★

garbage

Kek

This is good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOmPewjgO48

>materialism

>2017

>not having enough so you want to steal it

>helping someone else steal it for you only to have it denied again but you do nothing because he holds a title you admire

That's a cute caricature. Would you care to summarise your argument?

Summary: Communists are fools lead on by greed rather than necessity

Copy & Paste retort incoming

I'm sure it appears that way from your point of view where everything is reduced to greed. Marx's idea was that revolutions were inevitable, regardless of the motivation.

I argue not of the philosophy of Marx I argue of communists.

Fascism is also in accordance with the idea of revolutions yet I don't see many people here siding with it

What do you call a 'communist' who does not understand Marx? A traitor.

Yes, some revolutions result in a new form like Fascism. I am quite familiar. I was unironically a Fascist for several years.

Maybe still am. I am new to Marx.

>new form like fascism

>fascism is a political form

Fascism was a reaction to Communism and the first world war.

Fasces, a bundle. It isn't about politics nor economics fascism is supposed to be the base of human civilization via an organic, shifting state

That utilizes its many forms to create a perpetual and unbreakable machine

What you're thinking of are reactionaries, monarchists, and capitalists

We will have to wait and see. You say Fascism is greater than its fruits, I say the same for Communism.

You understand the double standard.

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#too large

Anyhow I'm not saying fascism is "greater than its fruits". It's much the same of the communist's desires, the difference being that fascism doesn't bother with menial matters such as attempting to bend nature to force true equality

There's an end goal but the end goal is limitless, much like the Marxist revolution

If that makes any sense

Why shouldn't man be molded into a higher form?

Of course man can, this is part of the progression of nature. Evolution is inevitable

So then if Marx predicts man will evolve in a certain way, a better way, a provides a guide to this form, Communism, what is so 'bothering' about that?

>Marx invented communism

A suggestion isn't a postulation of inevitability.

It depends on how convincing it is. Marxism is based on knowledge and objectivity. If that is not convincing to you, what can I say.

Fascism is based off of nature which is likewise

If I said "universal truth" you wouldn't understand me