and if that worker doesn't meets what the bourgeois wants; the worker is in the street

In fact, without usury or its associated mechanisms, exploitation should reach tolerable levels.

we'd need unions to keep that

Amazingly low.

Also without usury a volunteer economy may emerge

market distortion isn't only from usury

Unions are mafias which exploit the worker.

the nature of an unplanned economy leads to distortion, rewarding or not innovation, the same market (anarchy of production)

Usury is the lions share of market distortion, consider its ripple effects.

I agree, but vertical mafias endowed in the state; those kind of unions

The products the originate from usury being allowed in the system

not the anarchist ones

anarcho-syndicalism is free from parasitism for the worker

they're horizontal

You know anarcho-syndicalism is the system used by multi-national corporations at the elite level.

It works like a motherfucker.

Requires a ton of resources to keep the hounds off ur ass.

Multi national corporations can't be unions

they exploit the worker

lol keep going guys

Hehehe. Not for the Exploited no

ah like google

The system looks very different depending on your caste

I've been through many many castes.

that's not anarcho-syndicalism; in this case the productivity for the programmers leads to profit

some works need scientific management like retail for capital

but in this case, they adopt other model

You're still thinking in worker terms.

most anarchist societies had governments

other than the maknovists

Same way Cuba was not very socialist, but anti-imperialist.

The perspective from a vested party is pure anarcho-syndicalism.

cuba was socialist lol

cuba is a great example of socialism

@petit bourgeois it can't

The stock market is a proxy for competition between these syndicates

Parties are hierarchical

stock market won't be in a syndicate society

@petit bourgeois Cuba doesn't have economy to be socialist

explain please

@petit bourgeois They are not self-sufficient.

Cuba and NK seek investments as they can't be in autarchy

@Ornament One who fights imperialism all their life might be an imperialist, or might be a stooge. This is why authority is important. With theory and with leadership. The average cannot be considered the best. Relying on the most competent also leads to the least mistakes, and the least likelihood of betraying your intentions, which is very possible if every individual is allowed to determine his own reality.

any country the size of that would be hard not to be sufficent

i don't think that's a fault of socialism

nk lives off of the black market lol

Cuba did very well for itself to try to curb the embargo

i feel like

even during the embargo they still went on vaccine research and sent soilders to africa

Korea introduced market socialism and they appeal to the bourgeoisie as the cheapest labour in Asia

they did?

the healthcare paid by the state

to seek investment

i thought they were central planners damn

@Deleted User I support dialectical equality of imperialism and anti-imperialism. Anti-imperialism may look like imperialism, but it is not. It is the opposite.

well, a portion of the system

but Kim Jong Um introduced reforms

the party

look

You know who figured out socialism pretty well...

my boy lenin

Fucking gadafi

aw hell yeah

gaddaffi was cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xICWmQbWT0I

@Ornament I agree, but only if it is executed with correct knowledge.

@Deleted User whats your thoughts on the winter war

Gadaffi as I know tried to mirror Titoism

@Deleted User I agree on your extension.

The thing that happened in Libya, btw, is what happens when you work towards socialism in the world of brutal global capitalism

yup

hillary clinton

Not just her.

of course

@Ornament Correct knowledge is not intentional, it is objectively measurable. Action which falls outside of this must be considered obstructionist, if not outright betrayal, regardless of intention.

Clinton is a node in a vast network of global financial elites.

@Deleted User that is going too far.

libya is in fucking ruins now

Many of the conservative types are trying to remove these folks from holdover positions in govt

Libya is currently an organ farm

But again as I say, they're not changing the base of the economy just replacing the oppressors

I'm not remotely exaggerating.

the little will become the new big capitalists and so on

@Ornament Which part is going too far, relying on correct knowledge only, or seeing ignorance action as betrayal?

they have public slave markets

@Deleted User Ignorance is a bliss.

Oh man. Slavery is still HUGE business

Never not once has Slavery been eliminated, only abolished

@Deleted User You want to make people completely unhappy?

Happiness is an extra, it is not necessary.

Hahahah

Faggot.

@Deleted User Most people will go crazy in such a system. The educational system shall not be militarized. More freedom is necessary for personal development.

@Deleted User Majority will not accept that.

It's working already 🏄🏽‍♀️

happiness is a necessary extra

kromptokin talks about this

its what captialists ignore

@Ornament Science will decide what is acceptable.