now we have cybernetics to improve supply and demand in real time, in a central planned economy

@OF-8 Marx studies whole society of his time and writes a book called "Capital".

And right back to retard land.

U know much about the technicals of cybernetics?

Because society is defined by Capital

Don't count on that shit being worth a damn in your lifetime.

Allin Cottrel, Paul Cockshott do

Apparently not tho.

also, in Allende's Chile they had a project called Cybersyn

I know this project

Stafford Beer in the 70's wanted to establish a cybernetic system there

My friends and I peed ourselves reading cybersyn docs

maybe, from the 70s

You know tho. I do. I love that you dug that deep

@OF-8 Capital is still there. Believe it or not.

well, when people say that it's an economic dictatorship; I'd point that there are technical improvements

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/Cybersyn_control_room.jpg A E S T H E T I C

https://irevolution.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/picture-1.png

just about every third sycophant I fucked in Silicon Valley said something similar.

well, some leftcoms would disagree with me

"But we got mongodb, so socialism will work this time"

but that's not from marx

It's for socialist proposals, not from the analysis of capitalism

Clearly

If it wasn't based on a shit stack of bad assumptions it'd work

it worked

Mmmhm

Is it working now?

you can read about the improvements in socialist countries

well, the socialist countries remaining are too little, so they need some kind of market socialism

Cuba and North Korea

still, I compare Haiti (puppet of the US) and Cuba, I think Cuba is better; but I don't like market socialism I'd focus on emerging it internationally as possible

Russia was a great territory

(Plantation island of the Clinton family)

Ftfy

achieving socialism in the US would liberate a lot of countries

Hillary Clinton funded al qaeda

admitted by her

and that went to ISIS

It would liberate many of their spirits from this mortal coil

this to go against communists

True indeed.

they're all imperialists

Obama, Clinton, Trump

Can I admit something very troubling

I wanted to sit here and be a Diogenes-themed troll, but there's a happening coming.

And I need to know if y'all are human

That's why I'm trying to engage.

So far @Blebleh I would be sad to shoot you

Let's hope the war never comes.

@Ornament Imperialism is imperialism. Does a dog who thinks its a horse, cease being a dog? Subjectivity and intention are the refuge of idealists and cowards.

^ shit like that

I see the culture of the US compared with Europe

they call libertarians extreme right wing propertarians, here we call libertarians left wing anarchists

and the right has some rebellious theme

here is the contrary, the left

Trump pointed out that Obama invaded Irak and other countries

and the voters thinking that he wouldn't invade those places, voted him; but they're the same imperialists

they don't change the base of the economy, they have to obey it

Oh that I could explain the landscape of the global oligarchy

If it's imperialism you wanna stop, you have to remove china

China and Russia are one of the imperialist bloc, nowadays in disadvantage so they want to help the left

the other one is Europe and the US

The last thing I want to do is suggest to Marxist that Africa is the place to try again

But...

Itd give the chinks something to worry about

The left right paradigm here has gone fully fractal

There is the right, it's four facets, and maybe six dimensions

The left, it's thousands of facets, and maybe two dimensions

Which country are you in idk the context of your political systems

all the right wants to keep capitalism going on

reformists in the left want it too

(socdems)

Removing capitalism is a non-starter

Remove usury

That frees the proles to pursue self-sufficiency which is the only defense against wage-cuckery

the usury is just one form

Yes well it's the most harmful form

Gotta start somewhere.

seizing the means and setting a central planned economy is going directly to the root of the problem

Ehhh

It's like you don't wanna win.

worked for the soviets

but that economy requires a grade of self-sufficiency

and the chinese

like the USSR

Lmao death cult

I wanna win

i wanna win 2

If you wanna win, fight usury

that too

Focus on that

ill win by beating the fuck out of my dick

all exploitation

No, that's autism

heck

@Deleted User Subjectivity can equal objectivity in our case. Even very poor and not well studied. The theory brings us closer even if not too much. One who fights imperialism all his life is an anti-imperialist. USSR was more anti-imperialist than anybody else in history.

The worst exploitation is usury

the worker I told you about doesn't invest

just a wage slave, exploited under the law