To who

to me

I don't even know where he's from

And you're homophobic.

Coolio

Im from MANSA so I should know

I'm not going to argue with a redditfag about muh feelins

I've seen some of the disparaging shit you've seen to various minority groups. I've also seen you trash Lenin.

Where

H
You're a Menshevik cuntrag.

Where did I trash lenin

i mean MENSA

"some of the disparaging shit you've seen to various minority groups"

Seen/

i have an IQ of 400

?

Someone quoted Lenin and you said "Lenin doesn't have a monopoly on truth" or something along those lines. Which isn't surprising coming from a closeted social democrat.

@olev @Deleted User **FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT**

Let me find it

Did I say exactly that? @Deleted User

You didn't say those exact words, no.

Wait I found it

It was in response to him saying

There you go.

Well, quoting

Lenin saying "socialism is the path to communism" or something of that sort

@olev >When your entire ideology is an even more obvious jewish scam

Soc dems are funny.

"They are related and sometimes overlap"

Wtf does that even mean? Your knowledge of theory is severely lacking.

You really are a Trotskyite shitbag.

Socialism isn't necessarily communist

There is socialism outside of communism

Wew

keep sperging

socialism existed before marx explained communism

Proudhon for example

@Deleted User I'm not a socdem

Apparently that's "trash talking lenin"

Socialism is a transitionsry stage of socioeconomic development preceding full communism.

In marxist theory, yes

And now you're claiming Proudhon was something other than a utopian Market socialist? Wow.

Not all socialists are communists though

All scientific socialists are communists.

And all non-scientific socialists are irrelevant and have achieved little to nothing.

why would you want to be socialist and not communist

thats like wanting to get laid but not finish

The individual I was responding to said that socialism and communism are the same thing

Individual?

wow nice passive agression

No, he said it was a prelude to communism. And he's right.

I believe proudhon advocated for labor vouchers aswell

I don't know much about mutualism

I'm so disgusted by you filthy Trots. I am tired of you denigrating the image of the Leninist movement.

👍

Go become a Neoconservative already.

Nah

@olev opinions on finnish bolshevik?

His voice is fucking annoying

um

ok

thx

😃

He's a retard

inb4 another paragraph of you sperging about trots

@Scorpion Yes, he's retarded because he actually understands Marxist theory and his Soviet historiography isn't simply Red Scare propaganda shabbily clothed in the dressings of pseudo-revolutionary rhetoric.

You need to work on your Hegel, comrade @Deleted User

@Cotton Why are you assuming I'm not intimately familiar with Hegel? And tbh, one doesn't need to be an expert on Hegelian philosophy to be an effective Marxist and Dialectical Materialist. In fact, the only work I would even recommend by Hegel as far as understanding Marxism is concerned, is "Science of Logic" and only as a companion piece for Das Kapital. One need not be well-versed in Hegelian tautology and poetic nonsense.

explain why you dont like finbol instead of just insulting him

and stop being xenophobic respect other people's accent

>tfw commies still dont understand that communism has never and will never work

@Deleted User Roblox is an interesting game.

I remember I used to play it all the time back in 2013 when I was a shitlet.

howdy folks

what do you guys think is the best means to shift ownership of production to the workers in a nation like US?

also how does a business move from owners being shareholders or bosses to the workers in a non violent fashion?

@quiscalus Fuck off commie scum.

I assumed this place would be a good place to talk about leftist theory, why the hostility?

in USA only a very bloody revolution

This is a good place, but you have to watch out for the right-wing hanger-ons who troll these parts because the right can't meme.

well that happens

I mean a revolution in USA will be the bloodiest shit ever

everyone has guns

@Deleted User you ever chat on stalingrad there is a pretty interesting friendly dude there from Russia that is a ML and supporter of the CPRF

invite me please

I had no idea that they get the 2nd most votes for president in the past 5 or 6 presidential elections

And to address your questions, the only solution is revolution. Unless of course your only goal is to democratize the workplace, in which case you can lean on economistic theories that will unfortunately not bring about actual socialism and can only result in petty-unionism which will effectively enable your movement to be absorbed by capitalism.

Resistance in the first world, Revolution in the third.

We need to stop capitalism from ever happening again.

@quiscalus Yes, I am on there from time to time. I know who you're talking about, seems like a cool dude.

I feel without nationalized industry production will be not coordinated in a fashion to best meet the needs of the people so it is important to have workers run the business but need information about how much to produce from centralized authority aka the state

@Deleted User also thanks for suggesting I read the state and revolution I am over half way done now at it really helps me understand Marx and his vision for revolutionary change, as a person who only read the communist manifesto I was not as familiar with that Marx outlined

I disagree, I think we should have some kind of SS to regulate the nation instead of the workers. Because the workers will only work in their own self interest but the SS (or whatever we called it) could work for the benefit of everyone.

It also shows how many people who claim to be socialists like a lot of social democrats are actually revisionists and subvert the goals of socialism

I agree, I believe that it is definitely important. I am, however, not a fan of cooperatives as they still have to compete in the market and often times the "worker-owners" end up bossing around other workers, as is the case with Mondragon, for example.

@quiscalus No problem, glad you're enjoying it.