explain why you dont like finbol instead of just insulting him

and stop being xenophobic respect other people's accent

>tfw commies still dont understand that communism has never and will never work

@Deleted User Roblox is an interesting game.

I remember I used to play it all the time back in 2013 when I was a shitlet.

howdy folks

what do you guys think is the best means to shift ownership of production to the workers in a nation like US?

also how does a business move from owners being shareholders or bosses to the workers in a non violent fashion?

@quiscalus Fuck off commie scum.

I assumed this place would be a good place to talk about leftist theory, why the hostility?

in USA only a very bloody revolution

This is a good place, but you have to watch out for the right-wing hanger-ons who troll these parts because the right can't meme.

well that happens

I mean a revolution in USA will be the bloodiest shit ever

everyone has guns

@Deleted User you ever chat on stalingrad there is a pretty interesting friendly dude there from Russia that is a ML and supporter of the CPRF

invite me please

I had no idea that they get the 2nd most votes for president in the past 5 or 6 presidential elections

And to address your questions, the only solution is revolution. Unless of course your only goal is to democratize the workplace, in which case you can lean on economistic theories that will unfortunately not bring about actual socialism and can only result in petty-unionism which will effectively enable your movement to be absorbed by capitalism.

Resistance in the first world, Revolution in the third.

We need to stop capitalism from ever happening again.

@quiscalus Yes, I am on there from time to time. I know who you're talking about, seems like a cool dude.

I feel without nationalized industry production will be not coordinated in a fashion to best meet the needs of the people so it is important to have workers run the business but need information about how much to produce from centralized authority aka the state

@Deleted User also thanks for suggesting I read the state and revolution I am over half way done now at it really helps me understand Marx and his vision for revolutionary change, as a person who only read the communist manifesto I was not as familiar with that Marx outlined

I disagree, I think we should have some kind of SS to regulate the nation instead of the workers. Because the workers will only work in their own self interest but the SS (or whatever we called it) could work for the benefit of everyone.

It also shows how many people who claim to be socialists like a lot of social democrats are actually revisionists and subvert the goals of socialism

I agree, I believe that it is definitely important. I am, however, not a fan of cooperatives as they still have to compete in the market and often times the "worker-owners" end up bossing around other workers, as is the case with Mondragon, for example.

@quiscalus No problem, glad you're enjoying it.

yeah also the idea that coops are a means to revolutionary government is kind of absurd considering Mondragon operated under Franco and posed no threat to his government or him to their business

And yeah, the movement is rife with such types.

@quiscalus Exactly. I know quite a few anarchists and closeted social democrats who advocate such an organizational form. It's really absurd and very non-revolutionary.

I am a lot more sympathetic to the MLs and tankies especially learning more about how the revolution in October in 1817 came to be and the related push back my outside forces

I could be wrong but my theory is that since the huge anti soviet sentiment from the cold war makes people super reactionary and tend to not be interested in learning more about the ML prospective, at least that is what happened to me

Yeah, 16 foreign militaries, as well as the White Army, tried their best to stop the revolution in its tracks.

the 1817 revolution was funded by soros

Lol

@quiscalus Yeah, unfortunately the "Red Scare" and McCarthyism really left a negative impression.

yeah when you think about what Lincoln did in the civil war their reaction is not too unreasonable but you are practically considered stupid and unamerican if you are critical of Lincolns approach