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He's a retard

inb4 another paragraph of you sperging about trots

@Scorpion Yes, he's retarded because he actually understands Marxist theory and his Soviet historiography isn't simply Red Scare propaganda shabbily clothed in the dressings of pseudo-revolutionary rhetoric.

You need to work on your Hegel, comrade @Deleted User

@Cotton Why are you assuming I'm not intimately familiar with Hegel? And tbh, one doesn't need to be an expert on Hegelian philosophy to be an effective Marxist and Dialectical Materialist. In fact, the only work I would even recommend by Hegel as far as understanding Marxism is concerned, is "Science of Logic" and only as a companion piece for Das Kapital. One need not be well-versed in Hegelian tautology and poetic nonsense.

explain why you dont like finbol instead of just insulting him

and stop being xenophobic respect other people's accent

>tfw commies still dont understand that communism has never and will never work

@Deleted User Roblox is an interesting game.

I remember I used to play it all the time back in 2013 when I was a shitlet.

howdy folks

what do you guys think is the best means to shift ownership of production to the workers in a nation like US?

also how does a business move from owners being shareholders or bosses to the workers in a non violent fashion?

@quiscalus Fuck off commie scum.

I assumed this place would be a good place to talk about leftist theory, why the hostility?

in USA only a very bloody revolution

This is a good place, but you have to watch out for the right-wing hanger-ons who troll these parts because the right can't meme.

well that happens

I mean a revolution in USA will be the bloodiest shit ever

everyone has guns

@Deleted User you ever chat on stalingrad there is a pretty interesting friendly dude there from Russia that is a ML and supporter of the CPRF

invite me please

I had no idea that they get the 2nd most votes for president in the past 5 or 6 presidential elections

And to address your questions, the only solution is revolution. Unless of course your only goal is to democratize the workplace, in which case you can lean on economistic theories that will unfortunately not bring about actual socialism and can only result in petty-unionism which will effectively enable your movement to be absorbed by capitalism.

Resistance in the first world, Revolution in the third.

We need to stop capitalism from ever happening again.

@quiscalus Yes, I am on there from time to time. I know who you're talking about, seems like a cool dude.

I feel without nationalized industry production will be not coordinated in a fashion to best meet the needs of the people so it is important to have workers run the business but need information about how much to produce from centralized authority aka the state

@Deleted User also thanks for suggesting I read the state and revolution I am over half way done now at it really helps me understand Marx and his vision for revolutionary change, as a person who only read the communist manifesto I was not as familiar with that Marx outlined

I disagree, I think we should have some kind of SS to regulate the nation instead of the workers. Because the workers will only work in their own self interest but the SS (or whatever we called it) could work for the benefit of everyone.

It also shows how many people who claim to be socialists like a lot of social democrats are actually revisionists and subvert the goals of socialism

I agree, I believe that it is definitely important. I am, however, not a fan of cooperatives as they still have to compete in the market and often times the "worker-owners" end up bossing around other workers, as is the case with Mondragon, for example.

@quiscalus No problem, glad you're enjoying it.

yeah also the idea that coops are a means to revolutionary government is kind of absurd considering Mondragon operated under Franco and posed no threat to his government or him to their business

And yeah, the movement is rife with such types.