USSR was far away from socialism while claiming to be that

true Communist cant be archieved

you cant predict the future

thats so fuckin arrogant lmao

i can predict humans

lmao

The Party is rooted in theory not whim.

alright

try a critical approach my dude. rather than assume you know stuff and work from there, try to start from a point of accepting ignorance and learning

The CPSU was not rooted in theory it was fully rooted in whim, it SPOUTED theory rather

Stalin's USSR was the closest practical example of Socialism. All other kinds tried not following the ML model have been crushed.

alright try to enlightem me @not_matt

my dude

i cant enlighten you

im not that smart bruh

>Marxist-Leninism
Disgusting
Corporate Barbarism the whole way

also @Deleted User i dont think ill ever agree with u on stalin

you sure talk like you know everything tho

all i know is that i know nothing 😉

while everyone that argues is just ignorant

and that makes me the smartest man in the room sometimes

@not_matt My ideas are not fixed. We can make ground still yet.

kek

like silver, i was a legitimate republican until i was 17

then i realized i was an idiot, and hit the reset button, and started from the VERY beginning

i read a fuckload, and learned, but im still subject to a radical shift if i change my mind

republicians are not any less retarded tho

all the learning from that reset point has lead me to where i am now

if you want where i stand is

>U.S. party system

@Deleted User 'Corporate Barbarism' that works to realise the interest of the working class.

libertarian/ancap

i believe in free market

They worked to realize their own aristocratic interests

libertarianism is so close to being woke. i believe in the free market too, im an economics student ffs

The people had no real say

i just dont believe that state should control what someone does

@Deleted User The people shouldn't have a say. They do not know.

the state shouldn't exist!!!!

Technocracy?

and that free market will fix itself without goverment regulations

false

the free market has externalities and flaws, this is accepted among even bourgeois economists

@Deleted User That is just a protracted neo-feudalism then

If you think about it

what type of flaws

The aristocratic communist party owns the manor and the land, and the workers work the land to stay and thrive

The workers only protest is leaving or begging for more rations

@Deleted User Only if you think of it as a static entity. The purpose is to increase class consciousness in the masses. There is no private ownership.

And the aristocrats turn a profit in trade of excess

this is what i mean by "accept ignorance and read more"... if you learn economics you get lessons on externality, such as when two firms have competing interests the market will incur a dead weight loss without regulation

health care when left to a free market falls into a 'death spiral'

There is no international trade or debt.

these two parallel conversations are stressing me out

also i have work in the morning

i should go to bed

There was in the USSR (no debt though)

Well at or out the USSR

Or in

They traded quite a lot

@Deleted User You mean give aid. There is no debt. How do you trade without tracking debts?

You make deals when your counterpart has the means to pay in full only

interest?

loans?

No need for such things

Debt is very useful as a leverage and bargaining tool in the right hands

i guess

what about starting firms

i feel like that's at least difficult without community banks/ loans unless you go crowdfunding or something

I can understand that, starting a sucessful business is hard enough even with a decent amount of investment capital

@not_matt in USSR under Stalin you could take loans for firms.

yeah thats my point

i cant tell when people are disagreeing with me tbh

were you backing me up there

whenever i get @'d i feel attacked initially

Also Stalin promoted loans to peasantry as a method to control peasantry.

Openly

Oy vey

@Deleted User He had to convenience many Marxist that loaning is a good strategy to get more control.

I mean, it is. At least, with the way societies tend to work

Loaning is inherently capitalistic

The loaner always seeks high returns

Charity on the other hand wouldn't

@Deleted User the USSR government didn't need money from peasantry. Only high degree of control.

High returns

Uncle Joe wouldn't charge interest.

I feel like I should be transparent here. I'm mostly here to see alternate viewpoints. I myself would say that I'm a capitalist. But I also think that it is extremely important to understand alternate views to your own. I'm not gonna try to force my opinions on anyone, though would be up to just talk about my views with anyone interested to gain mutual understanding.

I feel like a lot are in the same boat, or were. You are most welcome.

@Deleted User why /pol supported a candidate who's favorite daughter is into Judaism? It is beyond my understanding.

They say /pol/ is not person. No, it's a superorganism. The majority of pol are thoughtless robots. Nowadays full of reddit cancer.

@Deleted User didn't most alt-right support the same candidate as well?

Yes. It was all the Donald train. Most of the hype was build on his outlyer status. It started as a joke but then people identified with it, and see themselves in the success of such outlyer. The psychological profite of 4chan is quite overt.

@Deleted User what the situation was on StormFront. I thought most people there support Trump as well.

I haven't been on Stormfront for a decade, sorry.

I love it when people use "alt-right" while talking about WN, Natsoc, Fasc, or /pol/

None of these things are synonymous

Though there is sometimes cross talk

I went to one of his rallies in my city, I think the majority of trump's stuff was playing to a voterbase that was feeling increasingly disenchanted with the current political situation

Please, correct the record.

Like, specifically here his rally was covering NAFTA and the TPP, which were agreements that have had significant impact on this city in particular, as there had been many factories that shut down and moved across teh border, costing many people their jobs