@Blebleh you have time. Do you learn or repeat known?

@Blebleh According to you, 'consent' negates authoritarianism, and violence is a libertarian act. This is madness.

@Deleted User violence against those who impose us that way, a revolutionary way, since they're the original authoritarians, is a libertarian act

@Firefly A mix

@Blebleh what did you learn here today?

@Blebleh So only the 'original' structure is authority, but revolutionary structure is always libertarian. This does not follow.

@Firefly About trotskyism, but this is irrelevant

@Deleted User Yes, because we abolish authority instead of creating a new one

@Deleted User State authority I mean, as imposition of capitalism on the proletariat

I cannot continue this discussion

You just jumped off the bridge.

why?

What on earth can shake your stance on democracy? What possibly can make you wish no more of it?

@Blebleh You just said that you destroy the state structure then do nothing.

I didn't say that we wouldn't do anything

we have to replace it with a federation

confederation better

@Blebleh Whatever you do at this point is authoritarian.

@Firefly Extreme conditions of extermination, in a situation that I know that I have to give authority to someone or we'd be killed or conquered, that it would be worse; in this case

@Deleted User The people has done the revolution, now we start educating and setting the bottom-top assemblies and delegative democracy

@Blebleh then you have to face exactly this.

@Firefly Why do you wish this situation on me?

@Blebleh Whatever structure you set up after revolution has to be authoritarian in order to prevent regression back to the old state.

@Blebleh because you are too stubborn to learn.

@Deleted User Ah, with reactionaries; but they're the ones wanting to imposing us as I said, we're liberating ourselves

I know Engels say it's authoritarian, but I disagree; violent yes

@Firefly Haha, why?

@Blebleh you tell me why

@Blebleh So you only are about yourselves? That is not a complete strategy. Where ever capitalism exists in the world, it will try to destroy you. What will be your response?

@Deleted User Anarchists propose defending the revolution, we would do it

@Blebleh You will defend yourself? What, without a professional army or centralised command?

@Deleted User Yes there can be an army

Somebody who doesn't learn will face result of his action. Democracy is a lie. You shall face the results of this illusion.

@Blebleh Anarchists will start an army command structure and it will be libertarian! Now I have heard it all.

@Firefly Bourgeois democracy is a lie

You will be crushed.

@Blebleh proletarian democracy is also a lie.

@Deleted User Yes, the thing is that it's conscious, the state means monopoly of violence

people has weapons; although I'd discuss that we could need a central "police", which wouldn't be libertarian

combining them

@Firefly Not mine

>central "police"
>anarchism

@Blebleh any

yes

That's why I said it wasn't libertarian

that we could need it

@Blebleh So you are willing to make concessions according to necessity?

@Firefly Why do you say this?

@Deleted User I do

@Deleted User But in this precisely, and the people still have guns

@Blebleh because it never worked and it shouldn't work.

@Blebleh Then that is the only slippery slope I need. The world necessitates authority.

@Firefly But it worked

@Blebleh when?

@Deleted User I don't hold it as dogma, the situation could need it or not, I don't know yet

@Blebleh Good chat.

@Firefly https://anarchyinaction.org/index.php?title=Cartography_of_Revolutionary_Anarchism

@Blebleh that is a map of failed actions.

The same I could say for the USSR

and there are the zapatistas

@Blebleh and I agree about USSR

then all is failed XD

we aren't there yet

Yes

we have to build it

To this point

But we had some results.

In USSR

and in all those sites too, which is good

the thing would be being close to world socialism

and I admit the USSR was nearer

I shitpost for glory not money.

This is pure altruism, comrade!

That said...I have a bit of a constitutional crisis on my hands

See. You commies haven't yet violated the nap, but all of your theories involve violating the nap in increasingly horrible ways.

So I am forced, here, to prevent this.

is this advanced shitposting

Or rather I ought to do my best to counter-meme.

It's certainly more advanced than material dialectics I can assure you this

Which is basically an antiquated form of shitposting within a rickety stinky structure

Probably necessary at the time, if I'm cutting Marx some slack, to facilitate dialogue among disparate groups.

So, you're an ancap

Lol no.

"See. You commies haven't yet violated the nap, but all of your theories involve violating the nap in increasingly horrible ways.
So I am forced, here, to prevent this."

You will not be able to guess my alignment.

What am I missing then

Sure. I'm using ancap terms to arrive at a certain conclusion.

some kind of crypto ancap

Don't confuse this for my personal theorems

Like Escohotado

This is where lefties always fuck up

"Personal:political::political:personal"

Pants on head retarded fam.

Dude I think you're being a bit arrogant and paranoid

Many do.

I asked you if you were an ancap, that's all

And I said no.

You tried to prove me wrong lmfao

Smh tbh

How am I supposed to prove what you identify as wrong, turboautist