Message from @Blebleh
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And as pre-revolutionary, in theory I disagree; there's a discussion for example in if we should use wages or not
@Deleted User propaganda of democracy is too strong. You can not educate everyone.
bourgeois democracy
in this democracy some proletarians don't have time for it; the academia is friend of the bourgeoisie
the media is controlled by them
@Blebleh According to you, 'consent' negates authoritarianism, and violence is a libertarian act. This is madness.
@Deleted User violence against those who impose us that way, a revolutionary way, since they're the original authoritarians, is a libertarian act
@Blebleh So only the 'original' structure is authority, but revolutionary structure is always libertarian. This does not follow.
@Deleted User Yes, because we abolish authority instead of creating a new one
@Deleted User State authority I mean, as imposition of capitalism on the proletariat
I cannot continue this discussion
You just jumped off the bridge.
why?
What on earth can shake your stance on democracy? What possibly can make you wish no more of it?
@Blebleh You just said that you destroy the state structure then do nothing.
we have to replace it with a federation
confederation better
@Blebleh Whatever you do at this point is authoritarian.
@Firefly Extreme conditions of extermination, in a situation that I know that I have to give authority to someone or we'd be killed or conquered, that it would be worse; in this case
@Deleted User The people has done the revolution, now we start educating and setting the bottom-top assemblies and delegative democracy
@Blebleh Whatever structure you set up after revolution has to be authoritarian in order to prevent regression back to the old state.
@Deleted User Ah, with reactionaries; but they're the ones wanting to imposing us as I said, we're liberating ourselves
I know Engels say it's authoritarian, but I disagree; violent yes
@Blebleh So you only are about yourselves? That is not a complete strategy. Where ever capitalism exists in the world, it will try to destroy you. What will be your response?
@Deleted User Anarchists propose defending the revolution, we would do it
@Blebleh You will defend yourself? What, without a professional army or centralised command?
@Deleted User Yes there can be an army
Somebody who doesn't learn will face result of his action. Democracy is a lie. You shall face the results of this illusion.
@Blebleh Anarchists will start an army command structure and it will be libertarian! Now I have heard it all.