@Firefly Why do you wish this situation on me?

@Blebleh Whatever structure you set up after revolution has to be authoritarian in order to prevent regression back to the old state.

@Blebleh because you are too stubborn to learn.

@Deleted User Ah, with reactionaries; but they're the ones wanting to imposing us as I said, we're liberating ourselves

I know Engels say it's authoritarian, but I disagree; violent yes

@Firefly Haha, why?

@Blebleh you tell me why

@Blebleh So you only are about yourselves? That is not a complete strategy. Where ever capitalism exists in the world, it will try to destroy you. What will be your response?

@Deleted User Anarchists propose defending the revolution, we would do it

@Blebleh You will defend yourself? What, without a professional army or centralised command?

@Deleted User Yes there can be an army

Somebody who doesn't learn will face result of his action. Democracy is a lie. You shall face the results of this illusion.

@Blebleh Anarchists will start an army command structure and it will be libertarian! Now I have heard it all.

@Firefly Bourgeois democracy is a lie

You will be crushed.

@Blebleh proletarian democracy is also a lie.

@Deleted User Yes, the thing is that it's conscious, the state means monopoly of violence

people has weapons; although I'd discuss that we could need a central "police", which wouldn't be libertarian

combining them

@Firefly Not mine

>central "police"
>anarchism

@Blebleh any

yes

That's why I said it wasn't libertarian

that we could need it

@Blebleh So you are willing to make concessions according to necessity?

@Firefly Why do you say this?

@Deleted User I do

@Deleted User But in this precisely, and the people still have guns

@Blebleh because it never worked and it shouldn't work.

@Blebleh Then that is the only slippery slope I need. The world necessitates authority.

@Firefly But it worked

@Blebleh when?

@Deleted User I don't hold it as dogma, the situation could need it or not, I don't know yet

@Blebleh Good chat.

@Firefly https://anarchyinaction.org/index.php?title=Cartography_of_Revolutionary_Anarchism

@Blebleh that is a map of failed actions.

The same I could say for the USSR

and there are the zapatistas

@Blebleh and I agree about USSR

then all is failed XD