Message from @Blebleh
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to make sure that people understand what they're choosing and what's going on
Why not just educate?
What has the formality of choice have to do with anything?
Yes educate, I think you're viewing the politics as something very positive right now
it has to do with a culture of revision
Yes. So why not just educate on what is happening and the reasons why it is happening, and just skip the whole 'okay now sign here I need your consent please'.
If you're referring to a pre-revolutionary phase, the platform needs to measure the support in a certain form and we need to organize for the revolution
does anyone know about the left caucus in the DSA
I agree that is important. But you still deny that there is authority involved? Obviously this executive comes from somewhere.
@Blebleh All of anarchism is pre-revolutionary.
I conceive authority as something imposed. If there wasn't a state, the people would seize the means of production; so capitalism needs a state
It's violent but I still consider it a libertarian act
And as pre-revolutionary, in theory I disagree; there's a discussion for example in if we should use wages or not
@Deleted User propaganda of democracy is too strong. You can not educate everyone.
bourgeois democracy
in this democracy some proletarians don't have time for it; the academia is friend of the bourgeoisie
the media is controlled by them
@Blebleh According to you, 'consent' negates authoritarianism, and violence is a libertarian act. This is madness.
@Deleted User violence against those who impose us that way, a revolutionary way, since they're the original authoritarians, is a libertarian act
@Blebleh So only the 'original' structure is authority, but revolutionary structure is always libertarian. This does not follow.
@Deleted User Yes, because we abolish authority instead of creating a new one
@Deleted User State authority I mean, as imposition of capitalism on the proletariat
I cannot continue this discussion
You just jumped off the bridge.
why?
What on earth can shake your stance on democracy? What possibly can make you wish no more of it?
@Blebleh You just said that you destroy the state structure then do nothing.
I didn't say that we wouldn't do anything
we have to replace it with a federation
confederation better
@Blebleh Whatever you do at this point is authoritarian.
@Firefly Extreme conditions of extermination, in a situation that I know that I have to give authority to someone or we'd be killed or conquered, that it would be worse; in this case
@Deleted User The people has done the revolution, now we start educating and setting the bottom-top assemblies and delegative democracy
@Blebleh Whatever structure you set up after revolution has to be authoritarian in order to prevent regression back to the old state.