the media is controlled by them

@Blebleh you have time. Do you learn or repeat known?

@Blebleh According to you, 'consent' negates authoritarianism, and violence is a libertarian act. This is madness.

@Deleted User violence against those who impose us that way, a revolutionary way, since they're the original authoritarians, is a libertarian act

@Firefly A mix

@Blebleh what did you learn here today?

@Blebleh So only the 'original' structure is authority, but revolutionary structure is always libertarian. This does not follow.

@Firefly About trotskyism, but this is irrelevant

@Deleted User Yes, because we abolish authority instead of creating a new one

@Deleted User State authority I mean, as imposition of capitalism on the proletariat

I cannot continue this discussion

You just jumped off the bridge.

why?

What on earth can shake your stance on democracy? What possibly can make you wish no more of it?

@Blebleh You just said that you destroy the state structure then do nothing.

I didn't say that we wouldn't do anything

we have to replace it with a federation

confederation better

@Blebleh Whatever you do at this point is authoritarian.

@Firefly Extreme conditions of extermination, in a situation that I know that I have to give authority to someone or we'd be killed or conquered, that it would be worse; in this case

@Deleted User The people has done the revolution, now we start educating and setting the bottom-top assemblies and delegative democracy

@Blebleh then you have to face exactly this.

@Firefly Why do you wish this situation on me?

@Blebleh Whatever structure you set up after revolution has to be authoritarian in order to prevent regression back to the old state.

@Blebleh because you are too stubborn to learn.

@Deleted User Ah, with reactionaries; but they're the ones wanting to imposing us as I said, we're liberating ourselves

I know Engels say it's authoritarian, but I disagree; violent yes

@Firefly Haha, why?

@Blebleh you tell me why

@Blebleh So you only are about yourselves? That is not a complete strategy. Where ever capitalism exists in the world, it will try to destroy you. What will be your response?

@Deleted User Anarchists propose defending the revolution, we would do it

@Blebleh You will defend yourself? What, without a professional army or centralised command?

@Deleted User Yes there can be an army

Somebody who doesn't learn will face result of his action. Democracy is a lie. You shall face the results of this illusion.

@Blebleh Anarchists will start an army command structure and it will be libertarian! Now I have heard it all.

@Firefly Bourgeois democracy is a lie

You will be crushed.

@Blebleh proletarian democracy is also a lie.

@Deleted User Yes, the thing is that it's conscious, the state means monopoly of violence

people has weapons; although I'd discuss that we could need a central "police", which wouldn't be libertarian

combining them